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A reduction in drivers hours may not be a bad thing.

Say a city has 100 drivers working 60 hours per week and they cover 6000 jobs a week between them. that works out at 100 jobs each

reducing the hours each driver can work is not going to have any effect on demand so if the drivers can now only work 40 hours each they will end up earning the same money for less hours.


How so, I'm confused and I know it doesn't take a lot but if I normally did 100 jobs in 60 hours how will I manage to do 100 jobs in 40 hours :?


It's quite simple there will be less drivers in competition for the same amount of jobs. Those 100 punters are still going to need cabs but there will be less cabs to cover the work

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No, There will be more drivers because the taxi firms will still want the cars out for the same hours. So that will mean that each driver will get less jobs.

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Bart wrote:
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A reduction in drivers hours may not be a bad thing.

Say a city has 100 drivers working 60 hours per week and they cover 6000 jobs a week between them. that works out at 100 jobs each

reducing the hours each driver can work is not going to have any effect on demand so if the drivers can now only work 40 hours each they will end up earning the same money for less hours.


How so, I'm confused and I know it doesn't take a lot but if I normally did 100 jobs in 60 hours how will I manage to do 100 jobs in 40 hours :?


It's quite simple there will be less drivers in competition for the same amount of jobs. Those 100 punters are still going to need cabs but there will be less cabs to cover the work


Blimey I'm having a toots moment now as well.

Those 100 drivers will not make the same money by cutting 20 hours off the week as they would need the extra 20 hours to get the punters that they would miss out as they would not be there


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Bart wrote:
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A reduction in drivers hours may not be a bad thing.

Say a city has 100 drivers working 60 hours per week and they cover 6000 jobs a week between them. that works out at 100 jobs each

reducing the hours each driver can work is not going to have any effect on demand so if the drivers can now only work 40 hours each they will end up earning the same money for less hours.


How so, I'm confused and I know it doesn't take a lot but if I normally did 100 jobs in 60 hours how will I manage to do 100 jobs in 40 hours :?


It's quite simple there will be less drivers in competition for the same amount of jobs. Those 100 punters are still going to need cabs but there will be less cabs to cover the work


I think I'll dye my hair permantly blonde cos this is just going straight over my head. How do know that there will be less drivers. Apart from that those 100 punters were spread over 60 hours which leaves 20 hours not covered by me if I only do 40 hours so any number of those punters could only be there in the 20 hours I'm not.

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The number of cars stays the same, the number of drivers goes up to cover the hours, the number of jobs per driver goes DOWN.

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skippy41 wrote:
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A reduction in drivers hours may not be a bad thing.

Say a city has 100 drivers working 60 hours per week and they cover 6000 jobs a week between them. that works out at 100 jobs each

reducing the hours each driver can work is not going to have any effect on demand so if the drivers can now only work 40 hours each they will end up earning the same money for less hours.


How so, I'm confused and I know it doesn't take a lot but if I normally did 100 jobs in 60 hours how will I manage to do 100 jobs in 40 hours :?


It's quite simple there will be less drivers in competition for the same amount of jobs. Those 100 punters are still going to need cabs but there will be less cabs to cover the work


Blimey I'm having a toots moment now as well.

Those 100 drivers will not make the same money by cutting 20 hours off the week as they would need the extra 20 hours to get the punters that they would miss out as they would not be there


I doubt that is true. If you work a 60 hour week you probably spend less than 30 hours POB.

100 drivers working 60 hours means there is an avarage of 36 drivers working at any one time. 100 drivers working 40 hours means an avarage of 24 drivers working at any one time.

The demand is a constant. The jobs will still get covered but the drivers will spend less time without a POB

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Would you be able to get a load of part time drivers to cover those extra hours though as the full time ones would want there cabs back to work there normal hours


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Between drivers hours and just learning the moon's not made of cheese this is turning out to be like all the other bad days. Somebody pass a vodka please :cry:

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Between drivers hours and just learning the moon's not made of cheese this is turning out to be like all the other bad days. Somebody pass a vodka please :cry:


I think I will join you. Make mine a large one, the VAT man is coming tommorow. :sad:

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The VAT man cometh. :sad:

Hope you didn't claim for the vodka :shock:

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Same amount of Taxis/PH chasing the same amount of work during the same amount of hours..only differance being 50% more drivers to Bridge the Manpower shortfall gap.....The employed will earn less due to working fewer hours and the Self employed driver will make far less due to doing 50% fewer hours to stay within his times, and should he want to earn the same money in fares he would need an extra driver to put the extra hours back in, this would be a waste of time because he would have to pay for a part time driver and all the rigmarole that goes along with it.

50% extra man power to capitalise from the same amount of trade that existed before, that in turn means 1.5 more people to be paid from the same pot. Small operators stand a very real chance of being pushed out big the big boys that can rotate and fill gaps in their requirements simply because they have a large pool of drivers to fall back on.

Yes..through time and through Drivers going to the wall there will less competition for the available work but this will be offset by more people losing their livelyhoods in the Taxi and other trades because of the Time directive rules that the net result will be more unemployed and everyone becoming the poorer because of it, everything has a knock on affect.....it sucks big time..a magnificently daft idea dreamt up by people who find it hard to fill 10 productive hours a week at the EU HQ's let alone the 48+ hours that the rest of us poor people have to work in order to earn a half decent crust..


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Same amount of Taxis/PH chasing the same amount of work during the same amount of hours..only differance being 50% more drivers to Bridge the Manpower shortfall gap.....The employed will earn less due to working fewer hours and the Self employed driver will make far less due to doing 50% fewer hours to stay within his times, and should he want to earn the same money in fares he would need an extra driver to put the extra hours back in, this would be a waste of time because he would have to pay for a part time driver and all the rigmarole that goes along with it.

50% extra man power to capitalise from the same amount of trade that existed before, that in turn means 1.5 more people to be paid from the same pot. Small operators stand a very real chance of being pushed out big the big boys that can rotate and fill gaps in their requirements simply because they have a large pool of drivers to fall back on.

Yes..through time and through Drivers going to the wall there will less competition for the available work but this will be offset by more people losing their livelyhoods in the Taxi and other trades because of the Time directive rules that the net result will be more unemployed and everyone becoming the poorer because of it, everything has a knock on affect.....it sucks big time..a magnificently daft idea dreamt up by people who find it hard to fill 10 productive hours a week at the EU HQ's let alone the 48+ hours that the rest of us poor people have to work in order to earn a half decent crust..


Not a problem if they find a way to limit drivers entering the trade......... :wink:

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Same amount of Taxis/PH chasing the same amount of work during the same amount of hours..only differance being 50% more drivers to Bridge the Manpower shortfall gap.....The employed will earn less due to working fewer hours and the Self employed driver will make far less due to doing 50% fewer hours to stay within his times, and should he want to earn the same money in fares he would need an extra driver to put the extra hours back in, this would be a waste of time because he would have to pay for a part time driver and all the rigmarole that goes along with it.

50% extra man power to capitalise from the same amount of trade that existed before, that in turn means 1.5 more people to be paid from the same pot. Small operators stand a very real chance of being pushed out big the big boys that can rotate and fill gaps in their requirements simply because they have a large pool of drivers to fall back on.

Yes..through time and through Drivers going to the wall there will less competition for the available work but this will be offset by more people losing their livelyhoods in the Taxi and other trades because of the Time directive rules that the net result will be more unemployed and everyone becoming the poorer because of it, everything has a knock on affect.....it sucks big time..a magnificently daft idea dreamt up by people who find it hard to fill 10 productive hours a week at the EU HQ's let alone the 48+ hours that the rest of us poor people have to work in order to earn a half decent crust..


Not a problem if they find a way to limit drivers entering the trade......... :wink:


Wi all that redundancy money swilling about and wi the ones paid off having so much time on their hands, its more likely the Number of drivers will in the short term head upwards...at least until what they see as a lucrative and relatively low startup cost business turns out to be bloody hard work, highly competitive and not so rewarding as it first appeared to be...


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Blood if the council let anymore cabs on the road here they will have to open a rank in the car park at netherdale :shock:


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No, There will be more drivers because the taxi firms will still want the cars out for the same hours. So that will mean that each driver will get less jobs.

No that's not the way it will work. Mr Bart got it right.

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