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PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:12 am 
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All this would only apply if the companies haven't already paid FE. If they can show they've paid their bills I don't think anybody has a leg to stand on as the contracts are with FE and not taxi drivers

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All this would only apply if the companies haven't already paid FE. If they can show they've paid their bills I don't think anybody has a leg to stand on as the contracts are with FE and not taxi drivers



quite so, but it is possible to place an order on the monies outstanding

its almost like a right of title where goods havent been paid for

far better is strong credit control in the first place

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If a Ltd company owes you money, and you get a whiff that they may be trying to bail out by requesting company house dissolve them, or there is a proposal to strike off, you can object to companies house till payment is made

a mate had a customer owing him £40K try just that

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All this would only apply if the companies haven't already paid FE. If they can show they've paid their bills I don't think anybody has a leg to stand on as the contracts are with FE and not taxi drivers



not quite so, it is possible to place an order on the monies outstanding

its almost like a right of title where goods havent been paid for

far better is strong credit control in the first place


If they are monies outstanding then they haven't already been paid have they. I did say if they had already been paid they wouldn't have a leg to stand on :D

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All this would only apply if the companies haven't already paid FE. If they can show they've paid their bills I don't think anybody has a leg to stand on as the contracts are with FE and not taxi drivers



not quite so, it is possible to place an order on the monies outstanding

its almost like a right of title where goods havent been paid for

far better is strong credit control in the first place


If they are monies outstanding then they haven't already been paid have they. I did say if they had already been paid they wouldn't have a leg to stand on :D


sorry, yes, as the old saying goes "when it sgone, its gone"

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how long do you wait before taking action

I'm absolutely sick to my back teeth of late payers. even the shocking lack of communication beggars belief. it seems communication is just a one one strret. they want you to communicate with them on pick, on route and delivery but havent got the decency to let you know if there is a problem or when you can recieve what your owed.i've undertaken many jobs on here in good faith and never let any-one down as i think the companis i've covered jobs for will vouch.. i've e-mailed a company 4 times over the past 3\4 weeks for a payment they owe. tried ringing but couldnt get through. send a text in the hope of a response but to no avail. i've looked at the companies payment history and another o\d has had to wait 6 weeks but other seemingly bigger companies have given better feedback?



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i,m owe £6,674 by five different companies, half the companies on this site i have never hared off ,you don,t know how they are or if they are going to pay you you cannot rely on this site no more everyone is running at a lost and not admitting to it . i started as a courier in London on a 250 honda dream in 1972 one of the original pony express gone from van to lorry,s ,franchise to owe,er company and now bank to o/d and just going back to lorry,s. so i thank now there are too many chancing there arm at it and that is why there is too much undercutting if you can,t pay the bloke which has done the job in thirty days don,t do the business,its just a sham its gone this way



an apology? or excuse?


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I apreciate that you have blocked our job alerts, but there are still plenty of people that are working with us, because we do have work, but when we arent getting paid by our customers the flow of cash becomes harder and harder, which i hope you can understand. That has all been resolved and things are getting back to normal. Its not nice being pulled down which we have, especially after we have been on here longer than most, and give alot of work to people, then the moment you hit a slight sticky patch, you become slated.No one remembers all the ontime payments and thousands of pounds we have passed the way of members. I reacted in the wrong way, and my reaction was perseived the wrong way.

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The question is, if a base grants the likes of FE credit, then sends a circuit car (owner driver) to do the work, who takes the hit?, the owner doing the job, or does the base payout and stand the blow (probably raising radio rents to cover it...)

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The question is, if a base grants the likes of FE credit, then sends a circuit car (owner driver) to do the work, who takes the hit?, the owner doing the job, or does the base payout and stand the blow (probably raising radio rents to cover it...)


I think generally as a rule the base will pay the driver before it gets paid by the account holder. This is usually paid at a lessor rate than standard to the driver and the base makes money on that as well as the % charged on top for an admin.

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You work for someone paye and they collect your taxes and then pay them to HMCR. If they don't pay the money to HMCR does HMCR have a claim against the employee?

Well as far as I am aware the answer to the second scenario is that yes HMCR does have a claim against the employee. What is the betting that the cab firms get nothing from the rail company's though?


Not your concern as an employee, all you have to do is prove to the DSS that stoppages were made, to continue your entitlement to any benefits and eventually pension, HMRC are well able to fight thier own corner

as for FE debts to any subcontractor, well, as they say....

Thats business...........

(just consider it as the biggest fecking runner of all time.......)


A few years ago my brother in law was working for a company. The company went bust and had not paid over the paye deductions or the national insurance for the employees. The tax man went back to my brother in law and the rest and they had to pay.

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GD, when it happened to me, i supplied my payslips showing deductions and as far as HMRC were concerned i was "paid up" and when i asked the DSS they knew nothing about it, all my NIC's were 100%, but he hadnt paid em!

the DWP would be the people to ask

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May be the rules have changed, this was in the early 80s.

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May be the rules have changed, this was in the early 80s.


so was mine

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Got sight of the creditors list today.......17 pages :shock:

1500 businesses affected. :shock:

I wonder how the belfry golf club was affected? :lol:

And the phoenix company......still has cab and bus companies working for them

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a certain german logistics company split its operation into 3, shunted money about, and 12 months on, crashed one arm of it, which by then owed millions but had nothing

i know one subby was owed £150K

oddly he stayed and worked on for the surviving sections, as was said, he had had 16 years work at £400-650K a year, and a deal was struck cos he was needed, dont assume they firms supplying FE havent struck a deal with the phoenix firm...

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wannabeeahack wrote:
a certain german logistics company split its operation into 3, shunted money about, and 12 months on, crashed one arm of it, which by then owed millions but had nothing

i know one subby was owed £150K

oddly he stayed and worked on for the surviving sections, as was said, he had had 16 years work at £400-650K a year, and a deal was struck cos he was needed, dont assume they firms supplying FE havent struck a deal with the phoenix firm...


taken on board :wink:

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