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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:48 am 
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with all due respect thats bollox

he was intending to decieve, inland revenue the council and the poor person hes flogging the car too.

Jesus you hammer companies on here for slightest thing and real villans are protected

taxis and cars going to test have milage recorded why?

would you want this man as your son in law?


No wonder you drive people off here.

You seem incapable of distinguising between someone trying merely to state the law (as I was trying to do) and making some kind of moral judgement (which I tried to avoid).

Either that or you ignore this, and instead just say these thing to stir up trouble, but either way wouldn't be surprising.

No I wouldn't him as a relative, but how you imply from my post that I might, I do not know.

The point of my post, particularly in response to Highwayman's point, was that it wasn't entirely clear on what precise legal basis the committee was proceeding, particularly since (as it seemed) that clocking a car in these circumstance was not necessarily any kind of criminal offence.



yes I know thats what you are saying your honour and you are wrong!

it is criminal activity otherwise why would he hide the switch?

he knows hes being criminal and is out to dupe someone

with all due respect stick to accountancy as you are as good at law as Mick is at trade unionism.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2004 4:53 am 
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Seriously is it not illegal for anyone to clock or are ya just pulling me plonker TDO eusasmiles.zip


Well when I read Highwayman's point last night I had a look on a Trading Standards website, and it said:

"If you buy a vehicle and the odometer reading is incorrect, a criminal offence may have been committed if the seller is in trade or business."

"If a private seller 'clocks' a motor vehicle, you still might be able to claim compensation, although they will not have committed a criminal offence."

Note I said that it wouldn't be an 'offence' for a private seller to clock the car, but this doesn't mean that it's legal, since a buyer could claim compensation.

But from the licensing point of view that we were considering, if it wasn't an offence then the committee's stance on the matter wasn't entirely clear from a legal point of view, hence my original post.

However, I had a look on another site earlier today, and it said:

"If an odometer reading is incorrect an offence may have been committed under the Trade Descriptions Act 1968 if the vehicle was supplied or offered for supply IN THE COURSE OF A TRADE OR BUSINESS.

"If a private seller ‘clocks’ a motor vehicle then an offence may have been committed under the Theft Act 1968."

This clearly contradicts the first statement, so it's clear (!) that the law isn't that clear on the subject.

But there are probably dozens of statements on various websites (the above two were Neath/Port Talbot and Oxfordshire respectively), so if anyone is interested and has the time then it shouldn't be difficult to find lots of info on the subject.


you are doing your best arnet you to make this criminal innocent

bet inland revenue dont think so or the poor sod that ends up with the car.

the committee were right and probably had proper legal advice from a proper solicitor.

and not someone who plays around with button books.


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Well your worship, if you can tell me precisely what criminal offence has been committed then I might believe you.

But as the statements from trading standards show, it's certainly not a clear cut area.

You seem to think I'm defending the clocker, and I told you I wasn't and the reason for that, so why do you persist?

The problem is that the law isn't as clear cut as you think it is, and since you can't even tell us the specific offence then you would clearly have a long way to go to make it stick in court, which might well be why the police and licensing committee in Dundee proceeded as they did.

Huffing and puffing won't help your case, so put up or shut up.


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the committee were right and probably had proper legal advice from a proper solicitor.

and not someone who plays around with button books.


I'm not saying the committee weren't right, but going back to my original point, there's no indication that he was ever charged with any offence, but the committee presumably regarded the act per se as making him not fit and proper, whether or not it amounted to a criminal offence.

Obviously my legal take isn't a proper legal advice, but if they had to rely on your efforts then it would quickly descend into farce.

All you've managed so far is to huff and puff and haven't layed a glove on even my original post, but given you lack of understanding, you'll probably never even appreciate that.

Good night.


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and not someone who plays around with button books.

By the way, I've never even SEEN the Button book, but given your obsession with it, I suspect you spend a lot of time with it. :lol:


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Yorkie is right, there is a big difference between just having a broken odmeter and delibratly fitting a switch to stop it from working.
although i am confused as to how it came to light.


Looking at the report, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an ex-driver or someone in the trade who had heard about this and decided to spill the beans. As I said, the gap between the incident complained off and the action taken seems baffling - maybe someone who knew for definite about his earlier car later decided to tell the authorities some time later.


Yep someone grassed him up for sure, quite rightly so, these types should be taught a lesson and that lesson should be don't go around ripping people off and expect to get away with it. :shock:


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:32 am 
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Well your worship, if you can tell me precisely what criminal offence has been committed then I might believe you.

But as the statements from trading standards show, it's certainly not a clear cut area.

You seem to think I'm defending the clocker, and I told you I wasn't and the reason for that, so why do you persist?

The problem is that the law isn't as clear cut as you think it is, and since you can't even tell us the specific offence then you would clearly have a long way to go to make it stick in court, which might well be why the police and licensing committee in Dundee proceeded as they did.

Huffing and puffing won't help your case, so put up or shut up.



Its obvious to most but not to you that you are not comparing like with like.

this was not a private car but a taxi, that has inland revenue implications doesnt it?

why would anyone put on a switch to switch off an deemeter, well they would only do it to be on the fiddle and that bin man is unlawful

you can twist and turn all you like if you want the law, pick the theft act
its full of it

the difference between a broken one and a switched off one is the intent.

and he went out of his way to show intent.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:39 am 
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the committee were right and probably had proper legal advice from a proper solicitor.

and not someone who plays around with button books.


I'm not saying the committee weren't right, but going back to my original point, there's no indication that he was ever charged with any offence, but the committee presumably regarded the act per se as making him not fit and proper, whether or not it amounted to a criminal offence.

Obviously my legal take isn't a proper legal advice, but if they had to rely on your efforts then it would quickly descend into farce.

All you've managed so far is to huff and puff and haven't layed a glove on even my original post, but given you lack of understanding, you'll probably never even appreciate that.

Good night.



you are losing it, not layed a glove on you eh? in a court you would have been knocked out.

as for charges you dont have charges at committee you have reports and they had a report on him.

b4 it gets there it gets a solicitors eye.

as for the button book you used to go on about nothing else and how you had ordered it.

so TDO policy now is to rhidicule me eh? tff1 tff2 all over again!

dusty tell us that one about the £1 tipp that was a corker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:41 am 
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and not someone who plays around with button books.

By the way, I've never even SEEN the Button book, but given your obsession with it, I suspect you spend a lot of time with it. :lol:



dont give the bullshit your postings are full of button thinking.


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why would anyone put on a switch to switch off an deemeter, well they would only do it to be on the fiddle and that bin man is unlawful



More huffing and puffing.

You're now saying it's unlawful rather than an offence - if you knew anything about the law then you'd be aware that that's not quite the same.

Now I'll ask you again, precisely which criminal offence was being committed?


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dont give the bullshit your postings are full of button thinking.


For example?

If you bothered to read the posts in general (which you rarely seem to do) or mine in paricular, you'll see that I steer clear from the intricacies of taxis law, because I don't know much about it.

But if you can give me an example of my 'Button thinking' then go ahead.


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b4 it gets there it gets a solicitors eye.



Haven't Dundee City Council lost two important taxi cases in the last few years??

And that's just the ones that are taken to court.


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so TDO policy now is to rhidicule me eh? tff1 tff2 all over again!

dusty tell us that one about the £1 tipp that was a corker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



No, but when you start slagging people, as you do on a consistent basis, then you tend to get the same in return.

I don't know why Alex puts up with the stuff you put on here, but he clearly puts you membership above that of all the others.

You tell us about the 5% tip I once had - I've forgotten all about it - but tell the truth, the last time you related the story it was just a pack of lies.


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so TDO policy now is to rhidicule me eh? tff1 tff2 all over again!




Well I disagree with Mick and Nidge on a lot of things, but one thing that we all seem to agree with is that you ruined TTF1 and TTF2.

And you've been instrumental in ruining this one as well, but I've just put up with you since I've put a lot of work into the site.

If the TTFs had followed the same strategy as this site they would probably still be going - just keep it going whatever.


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