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No wonder you drive people off here.

You seem incapable of distinguising between someone trying merely to state the law (as I was trying to do) and making some kind of moral judgement (which I tried to avoid).

Either that or you ignore this, and instead just say these thing to stir up trouble, but either way wouldn't be surprising.

No I wouldn't him as a relative, but how you imply from my post that I might, I do not know.

The point of my post, particularly in response to Highwayman's point, was that it wasn't entirely clear on what precise legal basis the committee was proceeding, particularly since (as it seemed) that clocking a car in these circumstance was not necessarily any kind of criminal offence.

Well when I read Highwayman's point last night I had a look on a Trading Standards website, and it said:

"If you buy a vehicle and the odometer reading is incorrect, a criminal offence may have been committed if the seller is in trade or business."

"If a private seller 'clocks' a motor vehicle, you still might be able to claim compensation, although they will not have committed a criminal offence."

Note I said that it wouldn't be an 'offence' for a private seller to clock the car, but this doesn't mean that it's legal, since a buyer could claim compensation.

But from the licensing point of view that we were considering, if it wasn't an offence then the committee's stance on the matter wasn't entirely clear from a legal point of view, hence my original post.

However, I had a look on another site earlier today, and it said:

"If an odometer reading is incorrect an offence may have been committed under the Trade Descriptions Act 1968 if the vehicle was supplied or offered for supply IN THE COURSE OF A TRADE OR BUSINESS.

"If a private seller ‘clocks’ a motor vehicle then an offence may have been committed under the Theft Act 1968."

This clearly contradicts the first statement, so it's clear (!) that the law isn't that clear on the subject.

But there are probably dozens of statements on various websites (the above two were Neath/Port Talbot and Oxfordshire respectively), so if anyone is interested and has the time then it shouldn't be difficult to find lots of info on the subject.

the committee were right and probably had proper legal advice from a proper solicitor.

and not someone who plays around with button books.

and not someone who plays around with button books.

steveo wrote:


Yorkie is right, there is a big difference between just having a broken odmeter and delibratly fitting a switch to stop it from working.
although i am confused as to how it came to light.


Looking at the report, I wouldn't be surprised if it was an ex-driver or someone in the trade who had heard about this and decided to spill the beans. As I said, the gap between the incident complained off and the action taken seems baffling - maybe someone who knew for definite about his earlier car later decided to tell the authorities some time later.

Well your worship, if you can tell me precisely what criminal offence has been committed then I might believe you.

But as the statements from trading standards show, it's certainly not a clear cut area.

You seem to think I'm defending the clocker, and I told you I wasn't and the reason for that, so why do you persist?

The problem is that the law isn't as clear cut as you think it is, and since you can't even tell us the specific offence then you would clearly have a long way to go to make it stick in court, which might well be why the police and licensing committee in Dundee proceeded as they did.

Huffing and puffing won't help your case, so put up or shut up.

I'm not saying the committee weren't right, but going back to my original point, there's no indication that he was ever charged with any offence, but the committee presumably regarded the act per se as making him not fit and proper, whether or not it amounted to a criminal offence.

Obviously my legal take isn't a proper legal advice, but if they had to rely on your efforts then it would quickly descend into farce.

All you've managed so far is to huff and puff and haven't layed a glove on even my original post, but given you lack of understanding, you'll probably never even appreciate that.

Good night.

By the way, I've never even SEEN the Button book, but given your obsession with it, I suspect you spend a lot of time with it.

why would anyone put on a switch to switch off an deemeter, well they would only do it to be on the fiddle and that bin man is unlawful

dont give the bullshit your postings are full of button thinking.

b4 it gets there it gets a solicitors eye.

so TDO policy now is to rhidicule me eh? tff1 tff2 all over again!

dusty tell us that one about the £1 tipp that was a corker!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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so TDO policy now is to rhidicule me eh? tff1 tff2 all over again!