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PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:24 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:

Q1. how many NON-HC/PH cases were there in the same period
Q2. how many "she creied rape but lied" were there (as many as 6. like above?)

HMG wont admit it but THIER own offices/depts dont follow guidelines, you have listed 6 cases, how many taxi/PH drivers are there in the UK?

Personally I think drivers are the vulnerable ones, not passengers, i think thats why there are screens in many vehicles and HC/PH can drive without wearing a seatbelt............


Q1......That aint the point.

Q2.....The ones listed were convicted and I could have gone for more.

Personally I think the ISA scheme is a waste of money......the enhanced CRB check and the Notifiable Occupations Scheme would be more than sufficient.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/about-us/publications/home-office-circulars/circulars-2006/006-2006/

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ISA's are still a waste of time simply because if your going to be vetted and unless you have a conviction its not going to throw anything up...just like the CRB check.

The trouble is with future offenders is that they are exactly that, "A future offender". and until they offend at least once and get caught they can mix it with the rest of the population and get an ISA or CRB just like the rest of the population.

This new check is no better placed to protect the Vulnerable than than the CRB check is...its just a way to screw more money out of Millions of professionals and Volunteers that work with kids.

I'll put good money on the fact that in five years time there will be just as many cases of abuse as there is now.

Offenders and potential offenders will always find access to victims without the need to work with them...they are oppertunists and far from stupid...indeed they'll probably be thinking ISA's are a bonus as it its taking the heat off them and focusing it on the decent members of society.


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The new Vetting and Barring Scheme launches today, tightening controls on who can work with children and vulnerable adults. The new scheme was created following the Soham murders and is designed to offer greater protection to children and vulnerable adults without creating too much red tape.


Ian Huntley WORKED at a school! - wasnt barred or vetted, and he certainly wasnt a taxi driver or volunteer

So who was to blame?...

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Following the announcement of Huntley's conviction, it emerged that various authorities were aware of allegations, from a number of sources, that he had committed one act of indecent assault, four acts of underage sex and three rapes.



Typical authorities move...even if the get an early warning they still go and hire pervs..another reason to save money on an ISA...it might just fech up the offenders human rights :roll:


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I think where the ISA is better than the CRB is in the way it doesn't allow flexibility.

Let's remember a convicted killer can get through a CRB check, cos the employer/authoriser's conditions allowed convicted killers to get through.

Whereas the ISA list will ban such folks from being on a list, and if they are not on that list then they wont be able to do a large number of jobs.

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I think where the ISA is better than the CRB is in the way it doesn't allow flexibility.

Let's remember a convicted killer can get through a CRB check, cos the employer/authoriser's conditions allowed convicted killers to get through.

Whereas the ISA list will ban such folks from being on a list, and if they are not on that list then they wont be able to do a large number of jobs.


not sure what you mean, a CRB will throw up a conviction of any type (except motoring), it is then the employers CHOICE wether to employ or not

what worries me is the "other sources" the ISA will draw from, in this country (for good or bad) you are innocent till PROVEN guilty, if the "other sources" deny you the chance to defend yourself then we are in danger of losing what millions have fought and died for

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wannabeeahack wrote:
Sussex wrote:
I think where the ISA is better than the CRB is in the way it doesn't allow flexibility.

Let's remember a convicted killer can get through a CRB check, cos the employer/authoriser's conditions allowed convicted killers to get through.

Whereas the ISA list will ban such folks from being on a list, and if they are not on that list then they wont be able to do a large number of jobs.


not sure what you mean, a CRB will throw up a conviction of any type (except motoring), it is then the employers CHOICE wether to employ or not

what worries me is the "other sources" the ISA will draw from, in this country (for good or bad) you are innocent till PROVEN guilty, if the "other sources" deny you the chance to defend yourself then we are in danger of losing what millions have fought and died for


Aye..what are the "Other sources"...is it Pub tittle tattle or possibly the natterings and chatterings of the local sewing bee?..gossip and rumour ruined millions of lives in **** Germany, why should we expect any better here :?


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