Taxi Driver Online

No argument then. Just another stupid response.

The taxi trade is blighted by stipdos like you. Workers are enslaved and customers interests kicked into touch. All bolstered by control freak councils.

Precisely what has blighted our nation for years.

We're not the best small country in the world. We're just small.

Made small by "intellectual dwarfs" who can't see the bigger picture. Who can't see past the end of their nose, their own narrow interest.

And we all suffer becase of it.

This is the mentality that has to be smashed to bring the justice the WHOLE nation deserves.

This limit isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.
If Dundee restrict, you will have 576 taxis for as long as they maintain restrictions. (+ a few more as people scramble to get a plate before the cap goes on)
You could have 600+ Taxis for years to come.
By your own argument that's far too many.
Nobody will hand plates back if they think their worth anything.
The number won't go down any more than it will go up.
The Dundee trade will have to fork out year after year to maintain this limit.
That on the back of a shrinking and aging population.
There can be no limit on PH either so you won't stop them.
Jasbar is right, even if you don't want to hear it.

If the trade is fecked now, it's going to stay fecked.
What next Tony? You're out of options.

Isn't much of an answer.
I hope you have a better one for the Dundee trade when it becomes obvious that your holy grail is actually a crock of sh*t.

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I think Tones answer was clear and concise, and far more polite than others would make.

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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The Trade will take at least 7 years to find it's own level by way of natural wasteage
I dunno the answers but, i know the horse has bolted !

Yes you're right.......however.....look at jaspers answer.....encouraging cars out of the fleet? ffs.....the guy is an absolute joke with little comprehension or sympathy, because it goes against what he wants.

Re-regulation has to start somewhere.......if it starts here the one fact for all the damage it has done already is that it will not mean an increase in numbers.......its painful already, why make it worse?

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

and no decrease due to natural wastage.
Just survival of the fittest.
Those with the lowest operating costs will survive.

Now who has the lowest operating costs in Dundee..........?

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Point taken.

CC

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Let's get one thing straight regards operating cost!!

The majority of wheelchair accessible taxi operating in Dundee prior to the new partner being allowed on were 5 to 10 year old second hand taxis!!

where is the majority of saloon cars have predominately been brand due to the very good Skoda warranty so operating cost aren't that much different.

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Watch out curiosity killed the cat

So how many saloon operators have decided to run a WAV?

And why are some WAV operators so keen to run a saloon that they're prepared to go to court?

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Caledonian Cabbie

Gus, there are 74 saloon operators over 65 and, a good number of them are in their seventies. My only concern is these plates being hired out ! and not returned to DCC when they decide to retire.

I am not for 1 minute saying that all is going to be rosie if the numbers are capped but its a start, with a more robust inforcement and natural wastage it might just recover and it will take years.I have said before i am not going to respond to Jasbars drivel

Your concern is well founded. Hiring out or selling on is exactly what some have got in mind.
The Licensee may retire but the plates just keep on earning for them.

I wouldn't even try to guess how many saloon plates are in the names of guys who have retired from the trade here, for one reason or another.
(we've had WAV only for new applicants for the last 16 years).
The plates are hired out on their own or with a car.
The plate holder's agent takes care of all the paperwork
Hardly anyone hands them back nowadays - It's a great top-up for the old guys' pensions.

ACC probably don't even know for sure if the real licensee is still drawing breath.
Even if their not, ACC has allowed saloon licences to be passed on to sons & daughters after the death of the licensee.
The plates have their own immortality. What natural wastage?

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The plate holder's agent takes care of all the paperwork
Hardly anyone hands them back nowadays - It's a great top-up for the old guys' pensions.

ACC probably don't even know for sure if the real licensee is still drawing breath.
Even if their not, ACC has allowed saloon licences to be passed on to sons & daughters after the death of the licensee.
The plates have their own immortality. What natural wastage?[/quote]

In Dundee once you die the license dies with you, the only time this doesn't happen is if the licence had been applied for in a corporate name, there are no saloon licenses in a corporate name there is one or two that think that the licence they have is corporate but when the original owner dies the licence will also. The license will be returned when the owners estate is wound up.

If you want your hired plates of the road?

Arrange a meeting with your enforcement officers and ask them to use the suspected operators who are deemed to be hiring to produce their past 3 years tax returns to show the licence is being run by the owner, if the licensee has no outgoing cost i.e. car payments, tyres, servicing and the likes his plate has to be hired and by the way it is impossible to create 3 years past tax returns, you may be able to create 2 but you won't be able to create 3.

Best of luck, I know we are still trying to convince our lot to use the same method.

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Watch out curiosity killed the cat

Dundee does not allow this, it is clear by posts that areas have different rules and regulations so maybe i should be saying the best thing for Dundee taxis drivers at this moment in time is to cap numbers and work with the cabs office and council to weed out any illegal activity to make sure there is natural wastage.
It is my opinion that talk of corporate plates should wait till any survey is done and an idea might be to wait till the number of taxis reaches any survey that is done numbers before it is considered, i am not a plate holder so would go with what the DTA members wanted to do if the situation arises but will let my opinion be known.

Dundee taxi trade is so fecked up and unfair it might not recover but i really do think that a cap is a place to start.