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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:44 pm 
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Are solar panels on the roof tops more beneficial than wind farms?


Not when they're under 6 inches of snow during the short winters days...just when you need them most :lol:



and when they are massively subsidised by the tax payer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9163804 ... attle.html


an extra £700 million must be handed over to solar panel owners. This will have to be paid for through energy bills at a cost of around £8 per British household.

It will give extra money to people who installed solar panels between 12 December last year and the beginning of March.

The Government estimates that between 30,000 and 60,000 installations were put in during this period at a total extra cost of £45 million per year for 25 years.

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http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bill ... iness.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 62348.html

The oddest aspect of the British plunge into grotesque subsidy for solar panels was that both Germany and Spain had only recently pulled back after they discovered just how much such schemes misdirected public funds. The Germans had sunk more than €35bn into solar PV at a similar rate of subsidy to ours, which, after 10 years, managed to supply little more than half of one per cent of the country's electricity: the International Energy Agency estimated it had cost German taxpayers €1,000 to "save" each tonne of CO2.

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Are solar panels on the roof tops more beneficial than wind farms?


Not when they're under 6 inches of snow during the short winters days...just when you need them most :lol:



and when they are massively subsidised by the tax payer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9163804 ... attle.html


an extra £700 million must be handed over to solar panel owners. This will have to be paid for through energy bills at a cost of around £8 per British household.

It will give extra money to people who installed solar panels between 12 December last year and the beginning of March.

The Government estimates that between 30,000 and 60,000 installations were put in during this period at a total extra cost of £45 million per year for 25 years.


All these Solar panels will be obsolete or broken by the weather within a few years....what a wasteful, gullible, foolish nation of people we have become. we are all doomed... #-o


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All these Solar panels will be obsolete or broken by the weather within a few years....what a wasteful, gullible, foolish nation of people we have become. we are all doomed... #-o


Greedy people, lying companies, idiotic governments

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The wind farm scam;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... -scam.html

A monster new wind farm off the coast of Cumbria, where a Swedish firm, Vattenfall, has spent £500 million on building 30 five‑megawatt turbines with a total “capacity” of 150MW. What Shukman did not tell us, because the BBC never does, is that, thanks to the vagaries of the wind, these machines will only produce a fraction of their capacity (30 per cent was the offshore average in the past two years). So their actual output is only likely to average 45MW, or £11 million per MW.


Compare this with the figures for Britain’s newest gas-fired power station, recently opened in Plymouth. This is capable of generating 882MW at a capital cost of £400 million – just £500,000 for each megawatt. Thus the wind farm is 22 times more expensive, and could only be built because its owners will receive a 200 per cent subsidy: £40 million a year, on top of the £20 million they will get for the electricity itself.

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I have a very clean, french owned nuclear power station within 25 miles of my home, It creates a 100 times more full time jobs than the 300+ wind turbines that blights my county, it also generates more electricity than the combined efforts of the 300+ wind turbines can ever do, It does this 24/7 365 days a year.

Amazingly a certain narcissistic SNP leader is going to close it in a couple of years just because he personally dislikes such things. Of Course, his henchmen and followers are so in awe of the guy that they dare not and cannot formulate an opinion of their own on such matters, Its like a hideous game of of "Simon Says" that the Party blind seem to adhere to.

As for coal, well yes at present it is not being mined but that does not mean that its not there, if the will was there it could be mined once again, just imagine how many Jobs that would create.

And finally, yes I may have my head up my Arse at times, the difference here though is that its up my own self opinionated Arse and not up Alex Salmonds Arse as is the case of a minority of Scots who are unable to form an opinion of their own.

Is it any wonder I want no truck with Eck and his cronies when he's got his supporters brainwashed and wrapped round his little finger.


So how much does it cost per unit to generate electricity at this "very clean, french owned nuclear power station"?
Don't forget to include the costs of building and decommissioning it, and the cost of storing the reactor waste for the next 50,000 years.
I don't suppose the French actually take it home with them, do they?
Nuclear power is in fact one of the most heavily subsidised ways of generating electricity.

Generate from coal and you would create very few jobs, since mining it here isn't cost effective.
Foreign coal is much cheaper to import, since they aren't burdened with such things as safety legislation or the need to pay a decent wage to their miners.
The only way domestic coal could compete would be to subsidise it heavily, as we did in the past.

For someone with an aversion to subsidies, you back some strange horses.
Perhaps your rectum is clouding your vision :lol:

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Compare this with the figures for Britain’s newest gas-fired power station, recently opened in Plymouth. This is capable of generating 882MW at a capital cost of £400 million – just £500,000 for each megawatt. Thus the wind farm is 22 times more expensive, and could only be built because its owners will receive a 200 per cent subsidy: £40 million a year, on top of the £20 million they will get for the electricity itself.[/i]


Where does all the gas come from for these stations? How reliable is the supply and how stable is the cost?
The UK is already dependent on some dubious foreign supplies for our current needs.

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gusmac wrote:
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I have a very clean, french owned nuclear power station within 25 miles of my home, It creates a 100 times more full time jobs than the 300+ wind turbines that blights my county, it also generates more electricity than the combined efforts of the 300+ wind turbines can ever do, It does this 24/7 365 days a year.

Amazingly a certain narcissistic SNP leader is going to close it in a couple of years just because he personally dislikes such things. Of Course, his henchmen and followers are so in awe of the guy that they dare not and cannot formulate an opinion of their own on such matters, Its like a hideous game of of "Simon Says" that the Party blind seem to adhere to.

As for coal, well yes at present it is not being mined but that does not mean that its not there, if the will was there it could be mined once again, just imagine how many Jobs that would create.

And finally, yes I may have my head up my Arse at times, the difference here though is that its up my own self opinionated Arse and not up Alex Salmonds Arse as is the case of a minority of Scots who are unable to form an opinion of their own.

Is it any wonder I want no truck with Eck and his cronies when he's got his supporters brainwashed and wrapped round his little finger.


So how much does it cost per unit to generate electricity at this "very clean, french owned nuclear power station"?
Don't forget to include the costs of building and decommissioning it, and the cost of storing the reactor waste for the next 50,000 years.
I don't suppose the French actually take it home with them, do they?
Nuclear power is in fact one of the most heavily subsidised ways of generating electricity.

Generate from coal and you would create very few jobs, since mining it here isn't cost effective.
Foreign coal is much cheaper to import, since they aren't burdened with such things as safety legislation or the need to pay a decent wage to their miners.
The only way domestic coal could compete would be to subsidise it heavily, as we did in the past.

For someone with an aversion to subsidies, you back some strange horses.
Perhaps your rectum is clouding your vision :lol:


Ahhh....the desperate utterings from the flogger of dead horses...

Wake up and Smell the Coffee, the SNP are on there way out, they have peaked early, they keep changing their many tunes and as we get closer to a referendum vote their tenuous arguments become more and more ridiculed. You Cant live on the Protest vote that got you a Majority in Holyrood for ever...people have wised up to your Bull and propaganda.

You will in time find your rightful place in Scottish politics...and that's in the Minority or better still on the fringes of it, the quicker the better before you lot do even more damage to Scotland.

Wind Energy is Crap, it has to be the most expensive option there is. If coals cheaper abroad then lets buy it abroad...I thought you would be all for this seeing as your such a good little european like Eck has instructed you to be.

Its sad that our worst Scottish threat is from a Minority groups loathing of all things British.


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For someone with an aversion to subsidies, you back some strange horses.
Perhaps your rectum is clouding your vision



Not unlike Ecks rectum clouding your vision huh.. :lol:


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Where does all the gas come from for these stations? How reliable is the supply and how stable is the cost?
The UK is already dependent on some dubious foreign supplies for our current needs.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15248683

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Where does all the gas come from for these stations? How reliable is the supply and how stable is the cost?
The UK is already dependent on some dubious foreign supplies for our current needs.



Where does the money come from to subsidise wind and solar energy?

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"We do see [shale gas] as a game changer in places like the United States, but we don't see the same pace of change or potential here in the UK at the moment.


Is that purely because of the size of the USA or because they're not afraid to try something different?

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Desperate is what I call your pathetic attempts to rubbish all things Scottish. Even to the point where you find amusement in the shameful unionist attacks on a 92 year old man. You are a disgrace.

We have the means to be reliant on nobody for our energy needs.
You want us dependent on foreign coal supplies to supplement our dependence on foreign gas.
A gas supply which has been and still is used by Russia for political ends.
Chinese coal and Russian gas. And you call us desperate. :shock:

More nuclear energy, with no real plan to deal with the radioactive end product.
I'm sure our decendants will thank you for leaving them the mess to sort out.

At least CC promotes a viable idea which isn't dependent on foreign supply.
It would at least not leave energy supply open to political influence from our suppliers.
It isn't infinite but it would give renewable energy the time it needs to become more cost effective.

I have no loathing for my neighbours. I just don't want them running my country. You do.
Dependence is, of course, your nature isn't it?
English rule, Russian gas, French nuclear and Chinese coal :roll:

Perhaps wind power will never be viable, tidal energy may never be successfully harnessed and geothermal energy might not become profitable.
The potential rewards and benefits have to be worth exploring.
We will never find out if we don't try.

A hundred years ago some people saw the potential for manned flight.
Had you been around then, you would have seen no more than a handful of idiots wasting their time imitating the birds.

Back in the 60's, some people started to link their primitive computers together to form an Internet.
You would have seen only some young geeks wasting their time on something of no benefit.

God help us if you were the one to decide on the future of the mobile phone back in 1985. :lol:

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Desperate is what I call your pathetic attempts to rubbish all things Scottish. Even to the point where you find amusement in the shameful unionist attacks on a 92 year old man. You are a disgrace


Pathetic yet typical of the SNP, Twisting words to suit their own ends.....I find nothing amusing about anyone picking on a 92 year old...though even the old guy himself seen a funny side to it, But the Joseph Goebbels of the nasty party are Humorless grey Sad Sacs, pretty ripe considering all the venom that's spewed forth from the SNP radicals of late in its hatred of non SNP conformists.

And true to your loony tune SNP mantra..if someone has a Different view to that of the SNP then its virtually treason.

What a bunch of righteous plonkers, get over yourselves, we Real Scots will settle your lots Nasty party bullying once for all in the referendum.

How dare you call me a Disgrace, you and your likes are a bloody menace to Democracy at any national level. People have seen through your lot, this is the End game for the SNP dream.

I can Sum up the SNP in three words "Bullies, Bullies, Bullies". :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Back in the 60's, some people started to link their primitive computers together to form an Internet.
You would have seen only some young geeks wasting their time on something of no benefit.

God help us if you were the one to decide on the future of the mobile phone back in 1985.


The meandering rantings of a man obsessed... :shock:


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