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 Post subject: Re: addison lee lose
PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:55 pm 
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tom2907 wrote:
Addison Lee, July 11, judgement.

http://sdrv.ms/LQMSF1

Interesting that it quotes the Law Commission's report in the judgement.

Maybe the anti-LC folks need to realise they aren't up against mugs.

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Lets hope they've plenty of cash if its going all the way to Europe. :D



im guessing he has more than me...and you....and probably all of TDO put together

and if he had won the right for all PH and HC(even out of town-ers) to use the empty, sorry, bus lane he would be goldenballs

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 8:16 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
he would be goldenballs



Yeah, its just a shame he always comes across as a del boy character

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the thread says "Addison Lee loses"

er, yeah, but a 3500 vehicle fleet? hes gonna worry int he......not

his annual car tax bill is more

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wannabeeahack wrote:
the thread says "Addison Lee loses"

er, yeah, but a 3500 vehicle fleet? hes gonna worry int he......not

his annual car tax bill is more


I guess is the LC had a pair of b*lls and they perhaps stated their belief his drivers were employees as opposed to self employed serfs.....he'd be a little more bothered.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:14 pm 
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captain cab wrote:

I guess is the LC had a pair of b*lls and they perhaps stated their belief his drivers were employees as opposed to self employed serfs.....he'd be a little more bothered.


To be fair to the LC they did actually raise the issue - rather than ignore it like the OFT - but it's not really within their remit to apply the law or interpret it in relation to particular examples.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 11:24 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:

To be fair to the LC they did actually raise the issue - rather than ignore it like the OFT - but it's not really within their remit to apply the law or interpret it in relation to particular examples.



To be fair to the LC? Fair for what? they come from a profession where a person has to work at below minimum wage for a member of the same profession in order to become qualified properly ffs.

To be fair to the LC....they're f*cking hypocrites.....to be fair to solicitors....they're leeches, preying on the backs of people who are desperate.

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captain cab wrote:
To be fair to the LC? Fair for what? they come from a profession where a person has to work at below minimum wage for a member of the same profession in order to become qualified properly ffs.

To be fair to the LC....they're f*cking hypocrites.....to be fair to solicitors....they're leeches, preying on the backs of people who are desperate.


Well I doubt if there are many taxi and PH proprietors or operators who're bothered about what their drivers earn, and certainly none that I've ever known, so it's a bit rich of a national taxi trade representative to get all self-righteous about such matters :roll:

And shouting and swearing personal abuse at such people isn't going to help your cause, but I suppose after years of this it's about as pointless telling you that as pointing out the deficiencies of SUD surveys :D


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Dusty Bin wrote:
so it's a bit rich of a national taxi trade representative to get all self-righteous about such matters :roll:

And shouting and swearing personal abuse at such people isn't going to help your cause, but I suppose after years of this it's about as pointless telling you that as pointing out the deficiencies of SUD surveys :D



I dont think its a bit rich tbh....adam smith was saying as much in 1776.

who was shouting and swearing? I wasnt

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Dusty Bin wrote:

And shouting and swearing personal abuse at such people isn't going to help your cause, but I suppose after years of this it's about as pointless telling you that as pointing out the deficiencies of SUD surveys :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-WWQedjCrI

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captain cab wrote:
who was shouting and swearing? I wasnt


Well clearly you weren't literally shouting on an internet forum, but you get my gist :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: addison lee lose
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captain cab wrote:
Dusty Bin wrote:

And shouting and swearing personal abuse at such people isn't going to help your cause, but I suppose after years of this it's about as pointless telling you that as pointing out the deficiencies of SUD surveys :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-WWQedjCrI

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Watching Limahl on that kind of makes me glad I'm going bald :lol:


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Dusty Bin wrote:

Watching Limahl on that kind of makes me glad I'm going bald :lol:



Yeah? makes me kinda sad....if I'd known then :wink:

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As I understand the PH mob want equality with hacks and I reckon they will get it why should a PH passenger be discriminated against because they have the brains to avoid being fleeced by the likes of our resident cretin GBC ???Given that you can find one or one whose prepared to go to sarf London or one who actually stop's when hailed or one who bawls out the window where to guv then no thanks out of my way FACT theres more touting by black cabs than PH.

Good luck to Griffin and Addy Lee on this one, heres an interesting fact Had Ken Livingstone won the previous Mayoral election PH would have got access to Bus Lanes what did Griffin do? donate to Boris Johnsons campaign who opposed bus lane access is he Bi Pola are was he worried about his bogus self employment scam being smashed???????? :?: :?: :?:

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It's official: EU can't meddle in our bus lanes

Why Addison Lee's challenge to TfL over bus lanes failed


Rather as I predicted, Addison Lee last week lost its claim against Transport for London in respect of the latter's bus lane policy, under which black cabs are allowed to use (most) bus lanes at all times whereas minicabs can only use them outside their hours of operation (save to pick up or set down pre-booked passengers). Its claim was based primarily on Articles 56 and 49 Treaty on the Functioning of the EU (guaranteeing the freedom to provide services and freedom of establishment respectively), on the general EU law principle of equal treatment, and on Article 107 TFEU (on state aid), rather than on traditional domestic law grounds, which – as the Court noted at [16] – would have required Addison Lee to demonstrate Wednesbury unreasonableness.

In essence, the judge (Burton J) concluded that the case had nothing to do with EU law: treaty rights were simply not engaged by the bus lane policy. First, there was nothing to suggest that any of Addison Lee's drivers from other EU member states were affected by the policy, in terms of their decision to come to the UK or the decision, once in this country, to become minicab drivers. The judge was "wholly unpersuaded that this traffic restriction has any relevance at all to freedom of establishment" ([55]). As to the question of equal treatment, which the judge seems to have accepted (at least for present purposes) was in play, he was satisfied that black cabs were in a different position from minicabs, in that they needed to be accessible for people wishing to hail them on the street: it made "entire good sense for black cabs to be travelling in bus lanes" ([60(i)]).

There were also the points that only 8% of black cabs are pre-booked and so properly in competition with minicabs, and that if minicabs were allowed to use the lanes, there would be "no rational distinction" such vehicles and hire vehicles, chauffeured cars and the like: in other word, extending bus lane use to minicabs would be the "thin end of the wedge" ([60(iii)]). Finally, there was no question of the policy amounting to unlawful state aid, in part because inter-state trade was not affected by it and in part because, as previously mentioned, black cabs and minicabs were not in comparable situations, in light of the objective pursued by the measure concerned ([75]).

In my earlier post, I suggested that the effects of the regulations in question on EU trade freedoms might be too remote to be vulnerable to challenge on those grounds. The Court has agreed: Burton J said that "this challenge has simply been the attempt to mount a challenge to a London traffic regulation by turning it into a "Euro-point", and I am wholly unpersuaded by it" ([55]). In other words, not every estuary of domestic law has been swamped by the incoming tide of European law: there are some parts which even EU law cannot reach.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jul/ ... sfeed=true

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