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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:22 pm 
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The court heard that police traced a Martin Wright with the same birth date. In the man’s abscence he was found guilty of both speeding offences and disqualified from driving. He was also fined £1,440.


Symptomatic of our modern Justice system...Guilty until proven innocent and not innocent until proven guilty as it used to be.

Does not look good on the Police this sort of thing.. :roll:

You are assuming that the chap didn't receive a summons. If he received the summons and ignored it because he knew it wasn't him, then he was a fool.


He should never have been summonsed as he had nowt to do with it.


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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 3:00 pm 
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He should never have been summonsed as he had nowt to do with it.

But he was named as the driver.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 5:57 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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He should never have been summonsed as he had nowt to do with it.

But he was named as the driver.


Not really...the Guy invented a random name and DOB and by chance it was the same as his, had there been five Martin Wright's in Britain with the same birth date would the old Bill have Summonsed them all? you just can't go about charging, arresting and then taking people to court without a reasonable amount of proof surely. That's little better than the burning of witches based on no more that Tittle Tattle..


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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2014 6:32 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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He should never have been summonsed as he had nowt to do with it.

But he was named as the driver.


Not really...the Guy invented a random name and DOB and by chance it was the same as his, had there been five Martin Wright's in Britain with the same birth date would the old Bill have Summonsed them all? you just can't go about charging, arresting and then taking people to court without a reasonable amount of proof surely. That's little better than the burning of witches based on no more that Tittle Tattle..

He also gave the part of the country where the guy lived. Maybe when the name was given the police should have just forgot about it. What is the procedure with speeding tickets like this? As I understand it they write to the vehicle owner and demand to know the identity of the driver. Once given the identity, they send a notice of intended prosecution to the named driver. now at this point the named driver either admits that it was him, challenges the notice or ignores the notice. Clearly he didn't admit the charge and it would seem that he didn't challenge the notice at that time. So as far as I can tell he ignored it which resulted it the guilty verdict.
Maybe you think the procedure is different.

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 12:35 am 
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He also gave the part of the country where the guy lived. Maybe when the name was given the police should have just forgot about it. What is the procedure with speeding tickets like this? As I understand it they write to the vehicle owner and demand to know the identity of the driver. Once given the identity, they send a notice of intended prosecution to the named driver. now at this point the named driver either admits that it was him, challenges the notice or ignores the notice. Clearly he didn't admit the charge and it would seem that he didn't challenge the notice at that time. So as far as I can tell he ignored it which resulted it the guilty verdict.
Maybe you think the procedure is different


Doesn't matter about the procedure..they were all to quick to nick an innocent guy for something he did not do. He wasn't even one of Gormans drivers just a member of the public, surely the police should have checked a list of Gormans employees to see if there was a Martin Wright amongst them.

If he'd only given John Smith, DOB 01/02/03....then the police would have had a harder job nicking Mr Wright and not Mr Wrong.

Maybe the Clue is in "In the man’s abscence he was found guilty", Where was he? was he aware of any of this.


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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 5:22 am 
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Maybe the Clue is in "In the man’s absence he was found guilty", Where was he? was he aware of any of this.

I did mention this earlier. The fact remains that at some point the police must have made contact with the chap. Like I said, they send out a notice of intended prosecution. That is the first chance that he would have had to say that it wasn't him. Then they send out the summons to attend court. That was his second chance to say that it wasn't him. Finally he gets found guilty in his absence. Now if what you say is correct and he didn't receive the notice of intended prosecution or the summons, how then, after the case, did they suddenly find him? I think that he did receive the paperwork and ignored it.

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