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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:31 am 
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You clearly have no idea.

Sorry, you clearly have no idea how difficult it is to change bye laws.


Having fairly recently (2009) undergone changes to the byelaws in Plymouth, I am very aware of the trials and tribulations.

I would suggest that "customer choice" in various primary legislation would actually make your byelaw 7(e) completely unenforceable.


7(e) "if his carriage is stationed on a stand, not accept any offer from a member of the public to hire his carriage unless his carriage is stationed in the foremost position on that stand"

If you don't like it, don't come and work in Lincoln.

The customer may have many perfectly good reasons not to use certain vehicles or drivers.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:39 am 
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So, anyone pass a terminal around between different drivers?

We used to have 1 terminal that was used by which ever driver needed it.


And do they ever pass card details from one vehicle to another when needed?

Because the card machine suppliers I have spoken too say the terminal can only be used by the person it is supplied to. Four cars, four machines. Four cars, eight drivers, eight terminals.

In any case, the punter would have to be out of his mind to allow a driver to pass on his card details to a third party.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:41 am 
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I walk up to the front cab with my guide dog. The driver has an exemption from carrying dogs because of his severe allergy. How do I get a taxi home.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 6:57 am 
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I walk up to the front cab with my guide dog. The driver has an exemption from carrying dogs because of his severe allergy. How do I get a taxi home.


It would appear you've had your brain removed to prepare you for your job as councillor.

But if you do turn up at a taxi rank in Lincoln with your guide dog (what's he called, btw?) you will find the drivers more than helpful.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 7:03 am 
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jimbo wrote:
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I walk up to the front cab with my guide dog. The driver has an exemption from carrying dogs because of his severe allergy. How do I get a taxi home.


It would appear you've had your brain removed to prepare you for your job as councillor.

But if you do turn up at a taxi rank in Lincoln with your guide dog (what's he called, btw?) you will find the drivers more than helpful.

Maybe so but the bye law would be unenforceable.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 7:09 am 
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jimbo wrote:
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So, anyone pass a terminal around between different drivers?

We used to have 1 terminal that was used by which ever driver needed it.


And do they ever pass card details from one vehicle to another when needed?

Because the card machine suppliers I have spoken too say the terminal can only be used by the person it is supplied to. Four cars, four machines. Four cars, eight drivers, eight terminals.

In any case, the punter would have to be out of his mind to allow a driver to pass on his card details to a third party.

The terminal was registered to the office. The supplying company said it could be used by any member of staff that was trained to use it and it could be used in any vehicle. it could also be used for customer not present transactions which would sometimes mean that the driver would ring the office or the driver who had the terminal and the customer would then give the card details over the phone just the same as any other customer not present transaction. Of course you needed the consent of the terminal issuing company to accept customer not present transactions and the information used by the customer is not the same as it is with a face to face transaction in that the customer does not reveal his pin number over the phone, instead it is the post code where the card is registered and the last 3 digits of the security code on the signature strip.
We also used the old manual way of taking card payments with the imprinter. We would get all the relevent details and then transfer them to the terminal later.

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 1:20 pm 
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Plymouth is literally, a law unto itself, is it not, Mr Fish?

Anyway, have you got a mobile terminal? A simple yes or no would suffice.

Firstly, Plymouth has the "Plymouth City Council Act, 1975", the Miscelaneous Provisins Act 1976 which everyone else except London have is based on it. There are differences but they are relatively minor.

Secondly, yes. I have cabapp so use my mobile phone to take card payments.

Why would I want to share it? Losing 10p on receiving the funds is so cheap as to be negligable and every Taxi Driver can have it themselves.

Finally, your 7(e) in the Byelaws is ridiculously outdated and clearly unenforceable.

As an aside, I love Lincoln, I take it I am still welcome to visit?

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 1:45 am 
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Get the CabApp driver app downloaded onto your phone/tablet.

It costs you nothing and means you'll always have a CC facility, customer pays 3% and its in your bank usually the next banking day.

I couldn't live without it.

Alternativley Izettle for a one off payment ....


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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 6:43 am 
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Chris the Fish wrote:
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Plymouth is literally, a law unto itself, is it not, Mr Fish?

Anyway, have you got a mobile terminal? A simple yes or no would suffice.

Firstly, Plymouth has the "Plymouth City Council Act, 1975", the Miscelaneous Provisins Act 1976 which everyone else except London have is based on it. There are differences but they are relatively minor.

Secondly, yes. I have cabapp so use my mobile phone to take card payments.

Why would I want to share it? Losing 10p on receiving the funds is so cheap as to be negligable and every Taxi Driver can have it themselves.

Finally, your 7(e) in the Byelaws is ridiculously outdated and clearly unenforceable.

As an aside, I love Lincoln, I take it I am still welcome to visit?



Bad ( by) laws are unenforceable. Good laws enforce themselves.

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 6:46 pm 
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jimbo wrote:
So, anyone pass a terminal around between different drivers?

I considered doing something similar recently, but the card reader was linked to a phone, so whilst you could pass the reader around, I doubt you want to be without your phone.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 12:52 am 
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jimbo wrote:
Bad ( by) laws are unenforceable. Good laws enforce themselves.

So do you consider 7(e) a "Good" and self enforcing law or a "Bad" and unenforceable one?

Are you going to get a terminal (or an app) so that you can take a card payment?

If you do get the facility and are second on the rank, will you make the intending passenger wait until the first Cab has a fare, or will you break 7(e) and take them in your cab straight away?

I'll ask again - am I still welcome to visit Lincoln?

Can I take the second cab in the rank simply because I want to (and I like causing anarchy)?

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 1:18 pm 
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Has anybody tried other methods of payment that don't need a reader like Barclays 'Ping It' https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... FK2Gbx-GRw

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 1:27 pm 
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Has anybody tried other methods of payment that don't need a reader like Barclays 'Ping It' https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... FK2Gbx-GRw

I tried PAYM but I downloaded the app but I was unable to use it because it said that my bank account was not compatible.

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