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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:42 am 
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captain cab wrote:
A legal loophole means drivers are getting cheap licences from councils as far away as Cornwall and Cumbria before returning to Manchester to work.

Condition of licence - 'A private hire operator licensed by (Anywhere) city/district/county council will only operate vehicles licensed by (Anywhere) city/district/county council.'
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The problem has been (or will be) magnified with the changes to the law via the deregulation act.

Not so. The change to the law coming later this year will only permit a private hire operator to sub contract to another private hire operator outside of their own district. Whereas, at present, an operator (outside of London) can only sub contract to another operator within the same licensing district. It will not permit private hire drivers/vehicles to work anywhere in the country. The requirement for all three licences to be granted by the same licensing authority will still apply to a journey in a private hire vehicle.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:09 am 
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Blueknight wrote:
captain cab wrote:
A legal loophole means drivers are getting cheap licences from councils as far away as Cornwall and Cumbria before returning to Manchester to work.

Condition of licence - 'A private hire operator licensed by (Anywhere) city/district/county council will only operate vehicles licensed by (Anywhere) city/district/county council.'
captain cab wrote:
The problem has been (or will be) magnified with the changes to the law via the deregulation act.

Not so. The change to the law coming later this year will only permit a private hire operator to sub contract to another private hire operator outside of their own district. Whereas, at present, an operator (outside of London) can only sub contract to another operator within the same licensing district. It will not permit private hire drivers/vehicles to work anywhere in the country. The requirement for all three licences to be granted by the same licensing authority will still apply to a journey in a private hire vehicle.

I think that national law would overide local conditions.
The way that it could work for Private Hire is that say I take out an operators license in, as an example, Manchester. I don't need to have any vehicles plated in Manchester because my mate has an operators license in shall we say Rossendale and he has hundreds of drivers and vehicles licensed in Rossendale. I can subcontract all my work to him at his operating centre in Rossendale and they do all the work.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:24 am 
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Being based in Kent I suppose I could work in Manchester providing the bookings are taken via my Kent number, which happens to be my mobile...


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:28 am 
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Blueknight wrote:
Not so. The change to the law coming later this year will only permit a private hire operator to sub contract to another private hire operator outside of their own district. Whereas, at present, an operator (outside of London) can only sub contract to another operator within the same licensing district. It will not permit private hire drivers/vehicles to work anywhere in the country. The requirement for all three licences to be granted by the same licensing authority will still apply to a journey in a private hire vehicle.


I think a PH operator will obtain operators licenses wherever they want and give work to whatever vehicle they want - I don't for one minute believe any council will be able to keep up with the new technology.

But supposing they do keep up. I will simply get a booking office in say Manchester, with a Manchester operator license, and pass work to say my sub office in Rochdale who will dispatch work to a Rochdale licensed vehicle, with a Rochdale licensed driver that is effectively working in Manchester.

The entire concept of localised conditions may as well be thrown into the nearest skip.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:29 am 
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roythebus wrote:
Being based in Kent I suppose I could work in Manchester providing the bookings are taken via my Kent number, which happens to be my mobile...



beat me to it by a minute ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:40 am 
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captain cab wrote:
Blueknight wrote:
Not so. The change to the law coming later this year will only permit a private hire operator to sub contract to another private hire operator outside of their own district. Whereas, at present, an operator (outside of London) can only sub contract to another operator within the same licensing district. It will not permit private hire drivers/vehicles to work anywhere in the country. The requirement for all three licences to be granted by the same licensing authority will still apply to a journey in a private hire vehicle.


I think a PH operator will obtain operators licenses wherever they want and give work to whatever vehicle they want - I don't for one minute believe any council will be able to keep up with the new technology.

But supposing they do keep up. I will simply get a booking office in say Manchester, with a Manchester operator license, and pass work to say my sub office in Rochdale who will dispatch work to a Rochdale licensed vehicle, with a Rochdale licensed driver that is effectively working in Manchester.

The entire concept of localised conditions may as well be thrown into the nearest skip.

That is basically what I said as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:58 pm 
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A record that the call/personal booking has been made in a certain area must be logged.

A record that that booking has been passed from one area to another must also be logged.

I'm not as convinced as others that the new law will lead to a mass free for all.

But I am wrong sometimes.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:42 pm 
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grandad wrote:
That is basically what I said as well.


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