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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:31 pm 
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Only if the driver is vat registered....imo



I would say that the agreement/contract would supercede anything else.

When it has also been raised as to whether i.e "They are employed" or "Entitled national Minimum/living wage/holidays" then I think that it should be talked out.

Let us say that an office has an agreement in place that there is a 60/40 share of the takings - once the fuel is stripped out, as it is a cost. It can imo be argued that they (the office) should receive the higher percentage as maintenance is their responsibility/cost, which is fair enough.

We all know that if we received the VAT back from our fuel then we would all have more money in the pot/pocket e.g fuel @ £1.07 per litre, say £40 a time, is an additional £6.67 out of your pocket/takings and then claimed back. That could easily be done say 3 times a week, meaning that just over £20 a week is being claimed back by the operator i.e £1040 per year/per vehicle.

To simplify it let us say that the fuel is £5 a gallon = it is now a cost! However, out of that the operator gets back say £1 a gallon as a VAT return - the actual cost in reality is only £4 - the driver is not then getting his/her fair share as per agreement as the operator has now put it in his/her takings.I would guess estimate that it could be worth £400/500 ish per year to a driver

what about drivers rent vat..


How is that relevant to the fuel VAT? Surely that is another issue.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:30 pm 
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Their all Bogus self employed their real CLAIM IS FOR EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS AS "WORKERS UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE COMPANY"

Gkad to see theyve grown some bolloxxxx ALL OUT WOULK WORK use AL cars to do Uber work whilst striking on AL work doubt if the GMB have thought of that

Go on strike but dont lose earnings an old Print tradition :badgrin:

V AT thats a dead end ffs will you ever learn #-o ............................stoopid question #-o #-o #-o

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V AT thats a dead end ffs will you ever learn #-o ............................stoopid question #-o #-o #-o



From the man who is always saying that drivers should grow some b*lls....it then becomes a stupid question - when he has no answer!

So let us hear from the eternal fountain of knowledge as to why it is a dead end? and as to why it is a stupid question when a driver potentially stands to gain?

Do not be a total moron - try to put something constructive in your criticism #-o Shoot me down if you must - but do it properly.

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 1:52 pm 
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V AT thats a dead end ffs will you ever learn #-o ............................stoopid question #-o #-o #-o



From the man who is always saying that drivers should grow some b*lls....it then becomes a stupid question - when he has no answer!

So let us hear from the eternal fountain of knowledge as to why it is a dead end? and as to why it is a stupid question when a driver potentially stands to gain?

Do not be a total moron - try to put something constructive in your criticism #-o Shoot me down if you must - but do it properly.



jOHN WITHOUT DOUBT YOU ARE THE STOOPIDIST POSTER ON HERE

IF YOU HAVE WORKER UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE COMPANY STATUS VAT IS NOT INVOLVED YOUVE GOT EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS DOPE #-o #-o #-o

PAY TAX AND NI HAVE EMPLOYMENT RIGHT PAID HOLIDAYS SICK PAY ...........................................FEKK ME YOUR THICK

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trotskys twin wrote:
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V AT thats a dead end ffs will you ever learn #-o ............................stoopid question #-o #-o #-o



From the man who is always saying that drivers should grow some b*lls....it then becomes a stupid question - when he has no answer!

So let us hear from the eternal fountain of knowledge as to why it is a dead end? and as to why it is a stupid question when a driver potentially stands to gain?

Do not be a total moron - try to put something constructive in your criticism #-o Shoot me down if you must - but do it properly.



jOHN WITHOUT DOUBT YOU ARE THE STOOPIDIST POSTER ON HERE

IF YOU HAVE WORKER UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE COMPANY STATUS VAT IS NOT INVOLVED YOUVE GOT EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS DOPE #-o #-o #-o

PAY TAX AND NI HAVE EMPLOYMENT RIGHT PAID HOLIDAYS SICK PAY ...........................................FEKK ME YOUR THICK


As ever you do not read the post properly.

We are talking about (as it is now) a shared/split take, ie drivers who are classified as self employed.Who is the dope now........dope.

At least make it a challenge - you are getting too easy #-o

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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:37 pm 
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Berkeley Square blocked as Addison Lee drivers protest over pay


Drivers from the minicab firm Addison Lee protested today over reduced rates introduced by the company.

The familiar black cars filled the famous square at lunchtime, hooting horns and hampering traffic.

London Live spoke to some of the drivers and representatives from the GMB Union, which was leading today's action.

In a statement, Addison Lee denied that the recently introduced changes had adversely affected drivers.

"Despite the number of private hire drivers in the London market increasing by over 50% in the past 2 years, our average driver earnings have increased by 5% compared to this time last year," said a spokesperson. "We can assure all our clients that our drivers are fairly compensated for their time and service."

source: http://www.londonlive.co.uk/news/2016-0 ... t-over-pay



Like he's going to put them up with Uber running riot? The best thing he can do is join forces with the black cabs and fight Uber that way.


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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 10:31 am 
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The drivers are driving AL motors and are forbidden in theory to take work from any other source rendering them workers under the direction.

Split bags and yer sheep shagging habits dont happen here kkunt.

In practice the majority of Drivers in AL motors take work from Uber after logging off from AL ! illegal dont know and dont fekking care insurance who knows its a fekking mess.

They have demonstrated some botlle [something a welsh slime ball wouldnt recognise] lets hope they step up the agg :D

the do certainly come under the WORKER remit ive seen the legal opinion confirming it :D

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The drivers are driving AL motors and are forbidden in theory to take work from any other source rendering them workers under the direction.

Split bags and yer sheep shagging habits dont happen here kkunt.

In practice the majority of Drivers in AL motors take work from Uber after logging off from AL ! illegal dont know and dont fekking care insurance who knows its a fekking mess.

They have demonstrated some botlle [something a welsh slime ball wouldnt recognise] lets hope they step up the agg :D

the do certainly come under the WORKER remit ive seen the legal opinion confirming it :D


Oh dear dear dear me....you are such hard work!

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How does that work exactly?

If a driver is on a split bag or a deal that that also takes in splitting the fuel cost, is it right that the proprietor claims (all) of the VAT back (and keeps it),


It was a general question recognised as such by everybody else - except the pikey dope :roll: .

I'll spell it out for you..........The topic was originally about AL. My question took it slightly sideways (difficult for you I know) but try to stay up with me. I then got to thinking about all of the people that you say need representing from your poxy Unions, and realised that possibly 100s/1000s up and down the country may not be getting their true fair share....hence the reason as to why I raised the VAT issue - stay with it ole chap :D

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this is somewhat of an irrelevant argument as i understand it the Al deal is £350 a week rent (including VAT) all other expenses including fuel are the drivers so if the driver was VAT registered which I doubt they would get that back otherwise not AL would not be claiming back VAT on fuel

and TT each AL driver is effectively a franchisee therefore self employed under current rules the same as hairdressers ice cream sellers Mcdonalds managers etc.etc.

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this is somewhat of an irrelevant argument as i understand it the Al deal is £350 a week rent (including VAT) all other expenses including fuel are the drivers so if the driver was VAT registered which I doubt they would get that back otherwise not AL would not be claiming back VAT on fuel

and TT each AL driver is effectively a franchisee therefore self employed under current rules the same as hairdressers ice cream sellers Mcdonalds managers etc.etc.


The topic (my fault) went off on a bit of a tangent as it was generalised.Aside of AL, I was thinking of all the drivers that might be affected who work for smaller companies up and down the UK.

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and TT each AL driver is effectively a franchisee therefore self employed under current rules the same as hairdressers ice cream sellers Mcdonalds managers etc.etc.[/quote]


Your wrong according to the GMB Lawyers :D

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Your wrong according to the GMB Lawyers :D

Not sure that's much of an endorsement.

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and TT each AL driver is effectively a franchisee therefore self employed under current rules the same as hairdressers ice cream sellers Mcdonalds managers etc.etc.



Your wrong according to the GMB Lawyers :D[/quote]


It is what is accepted as the law of the land not the opinion of a small group of lawyers that counts surely

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and TT each AL driver is effectively a franchisee therefore self employed under current rules the same as hairdressers ice cream sellers Mcdonalds managers etc.etc.



Your wrong according to the GMB Lawyers :D



It is what is accepted as the law of the land not the opinion of a small group of lawyers that counts surely[/quote]

THEY ARE CONFIDENT OF WINNING A LEGAL CHALLENGE WHICH MEANS IT IS NOT ACCEPTED AS THE LAW OF THE LAND ALL IT NEEDS IS AN INDIVIDUAL PREPARED TO BE THE FRONT FOR THAT CHALLENGE ...................................SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO FIND UNFORTUNATELY #-o ALTHOUGH THE NEW OUTFIT THE UPHD MIGHT FIND ONE?

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trotskys twin wrote:
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and TT each AL driver is effectively a franchisee therefore self employed under current rules the same as hairdressers ice cream sellers Mcdonalds managers etc.etc.



Your wrong according to the GMB Lawyers :D



It is what is accepted as the law of the land not the opinion of a small group of lawyers that counts surely


THEY ARE CONFIDENT OF WINNING A LEGAL CHALLENGE WHICH MEANS IT IS NOT ACCEPTED AS THE LAW OF THE LAND ALL IT NEEDS IS AN INDIVIDUAL PREPARED TO BE THE FRONT FOR THAT CHALLENGE ...................................SOMEWHAT DIFFICULT TO FIND UNFORTUNATELY #-o ALTHOUGH THE NEW OUTFIT THE UPHD MIGHT FIND ONE?[/quote]


Surely you can find a few disgruntled UberX or Al drivers somewhere ?

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