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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 6:11 pm 
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StuartW wrote:
in fact I think it was the Law Commission who proposed the deregulation stuff, and the Tories simply rubber-stamped it (as I think Mr T is alluding).

I don't think it was "rubber stamped" It went through all the usual process including amendments before it was passed.

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It's also worth pointing out again, as I had to again to a few mates recently down here, that Uber don't use the flexibility the Deregulation Act gave to operators.

Uber abuse the 1976 act in the same way as everyone else that abuses the 1976. They don't need the Dereg Act to do what they do.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:15 am 
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May have been part of the red tape challenge, but pretty sure it originated from the Law Commission's study. After all, they spent a year or two on it, and produced several hundreds of pages, and I think the cross-border degregulation is just about all there is to show from it? :?


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Councils and Councillors are often blamed for the way enforcement and licensing is controlled in their licensing authority.... when the truth is that most councils have very little knowledge in this particular area, and they have to rely on the advice given to them by their licensing offices and in turn by their department heads..... people who often take on the role of management( traffic management) when previously having been employed within the council with totally different responsibilities...ie( has spent years training in the removal of rubbish and rat catching)... the biggest problem the trade has is caused by licensing officers.. that interpret the present laws to suit themselves.... the real reason for this is so that they can climb to greater levels of responsibility within their councils which in turn takes them to a higher pay level.... in other words caused as much red tape as possible so that more people are employed to deal with the red tape.. :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:10 pm 
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grandad wrote:
I don't think it was "rubber stamped" It went through all the usual process including amendments before it was passed.

Yes, that's what I meant by rubber-stamped :wink:

Seriously, though, my feeling from afar about the whole thing is that the Tories gave the LC a remit and expected it to come up with a certain answer, in broad terms at least. As I recall it, the LC said initially that the Government had given it a deregulatory remit - it was never supposed to be a wholly independent and dispassionate review of the legislation. So to that degree it was simply rubber-stamped. Of course, that's maybe over-simplying the various processes and procedures involved, but at the end of the day that's my opinion on how it all panned out.

Another way of looking at it is that I suspect the whole debate would have proceeded differently if it had been known how it would all work out as regards Wolverhampton etc. That's not to say it would be reversed if the whole thing was revisited, but I suspect there would be a bit more opposition and insightful debate next time round.

And I know things aren't quite the same in Westminster, but up here *no* SNP MSP will vote against Nicola Sturgeon, and the committees are SNP-dominated, so any opposition/criticism from them is likely to be muted.

Not that the Scottish Parliament actually does very much, despite the impression you might get down there. It's all preening and posturing, and blaming the Tories. And troughing, obviously.

In fact I think the parliament has gone whole *years* without actually passing any legislation :-o

But when or if it does, you can be assured that it won't be enacted unless it's largely Nicola Sturgeon's work [-(

In fact there's a thing cynics call 'policy laundering', which essentially uses supposedly third-party independent bodies to support particular policies and proposals, but in reality they're very often more linked to government than it appears at first sight. But the facade makes it all look more democratic and legitimate.

Good piece here from a London-based website, by an English author, who mentions the example of the Scottish Trans Alliance :roll:

Here's a quick extract:

Mary Harrington, Unherd wrote:
The whole cycle amounts to a process of laundering, by semi-independent bodies, a series of policies the government already wanted to adopt so they look as though they come spontaneously from the society upon which they will in due course be visited.

The result looks like a thriving voice for civil society in the national debate. But in reality it is more like the government having a conversation with itself, via a series of proxies. Meanwhile, that part of civil society without insider status sits scratching its head trying to work out which form to fill in to get a seat at the table.


https://unherd.com/2019/12/three-cheers ... l-society/

I'm not saying the Law Commission is exactly like that, but these things are never quite as they seem either.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:47 pm 
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Councils and Councillors are often blamed for the way enforcement and licensing is controlled in their licensing authority.... when the truth is that most councils have very little knowledge in this particular area, and they have to rely on the advice given to them by their licensing offices and in turn by their department heads..... people who often take on the role of management( traffic management) when previously having been employed within the council with totally different responsibilities...ie( has spent years training in the removal of rubbish and rat catching)... the biggest problem the trade has is caused by licensing officers.. that interpret the present laws to suit themselves.... the real reason for this is so that they can climb to greater levels of responsibility within their councils which in turn takes them to a higher pay level.... in other words caused as much red tape as possible so that more people are employed to deal with the red tape..

Indeed, and a lot of truth in that.

And similar stuff like the empire-building evident in Wolverhampton.

And doing stuff for the sake of it, and because it looks superficially impressive. The QR codes in Gedling, for example. I don't doubt that there's some merit in that, but if it's anything like here than there are loads of other things they could be more usefully sorting out.


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