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 Post subject: Thanks Cabbie John
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 9:17 am 
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Thanks Cabbie John

That's the kind of thing I am looking for. Abuse in taxis whether driver or female passenger is just dealt with with a "shrug" And "only a taxi driver" attitude still exists. Hastings is small, and pinching a pint of milk off the doorsteo still gets front page news. Yet a serious of ambushes on drivers with one actually having his face and throat cut. Losing his voice box and having reconstrcutibe surgery, onlt got a small part of a side column.

I think we are in the centre of things. We know the towns and people better than anyon else and who the repeat offfenders are. Informally we pass the info round to avoid certain people and not pick them up. Would be good if severl drivers and firms identify an aggressor and offficially get them charged and made to walk or only book re-booked taxis sat in the back of a London or E7.

I have pointed out to the police and govnt that we are a great source and information and baramoter as to what goes on in a town and its violence and abusew rate. Pointed out that by working with police and Pub Watch it would be easier to indentify and monitor rowdies and incidents on a Saturday night.

Site is having its problems (learning curve) and the feedback forms are of what experiences people have had. But i think a national regular feedback of incidents by taxi drivers and firms and "ALERTS" would be a baraomter for what is goin on. Confidentilaity and discretion of course. We ae everyone's mate and friend and keeper of their little secrets. So Mrs Brown can't ask where hubby Derek was on Saturday night.

I also want a section to sponsor Cabbie Heros. Plenty of cabbies have got out their cabs and helped and intervened, but no meantion. So highlight what a wonderful service we provide. Also may have a sectio to sponsor a "Crabbie Cabbie" the misery moaner of the rank.

Other things (as I am an ex-nurse) is things like info on occupational health and DVT and posture and bad backs.

I think that people miss what an asset cabbies are and what we do. Really need to challenge the attitude that we and our safety should be dismissed. If anyone know how a town is and hw to deal with people and incidents we do. Need to get our profile up better.

All a bit scarey. Have got a lot of flack and threat about this and damage to property by other drivers. But many say they are interested so will go on. If anyone has any skills or info or help in raising issues or setting up websites I woudl be happy to hear from you.

Don't forget to remind your local MP and councellors that you are voters. Must be a bloody lot of us. So we must be able to make a difference.

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One thing I did not pick up on was that you are starting another site.

I now realise why you did not have much response as members will be loyal to this one. I still think the idea is good so why do you not speak to the owners of this site, and collate your facts and fiqures from here. Infact all you have got to do is to open your own thread/topic.

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 Post subject: Safety In Taxis
PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2007 2:08 pm 
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Dear All,
Not splitting loyalties or taking away from this site. But Safety In Taxis will have two survey forms which will be easier to collate. Also will look at passenger and female safety.

Plan is to get intial feedback which would give statistical picture to the problem. (Govt and consultants love statistics) Also problem cannot be denied. As taxis are licenced and regulated by govt and local govt I think they should take more interest and active interest in what goes on and driver and passenger safety.

Have several ideas how things can be taken forward if the right repsonse and level of response is returned.

From there may set up regular feedback from across the country so people and taxi people and police can see the rate of safety or assault go up or down. No massaged govt statistics of "perceived" level of abuse and violence. Could work with just a few major taxi offices in each area getting feedback fromt heir drivers and relaying it to the website to collate and see monthly what the nation looks like.

Don't want to step on anyone's toes. If anyone knows where i can get interesting statistics from. I don't even know how many taxi drivers are in the country. It would help to write my arguements on site.

Safety in taxis is more about collating the evidence than making another taxi forum. But hopefully will criss cross with other concerns.

Taxi driver on line has many different topics going on. Safet in taxis will focus on the safety and wellfare aspects.

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 Post subject: Re: Safety in Taxis
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 4:12 pm 
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Junie2006 wrote:
OK Guys.

I am setting up a website to raise awareness and use it to do some kicking to get safty for driver and passenger in taxis taken seriously.

Once the site is up and running you will be in-undated with bad tales from the taxi/PH trade.

The issue is can anything be done about it, and answers are yes, and no. Yes in areas where councils, police and the trade work together (about 10% IMO) and no in the rest.

But I wish you well.

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That's OK.

I am not going to answer to each and everyone or counsel your poor souls. Also its not just a forum. Survey with tick boxes to get some figures. Also extended boxes to say if authorities and police and licencing were/are helpful. With the reported and known assaults cabbies have a 73% chance of assault. i'm sure it is probably more. (That sociology figure is at least 1960s) and known assaults of female passengers run at 11 per month in small towns. Even the Isle of Man where there isn't anywhere to run before you wheels get wet.

Really would like to turn the attitude around. If you change the attitude to cabbies that we are one step up from a street cleaner or streetwalker and legitimate "pop" targets it would be a good thing. As I say there muct be lots of us. so we must have a large voice. The only other legitimate hate target for a "pop" is traffic wardens. (OK, You can sit down again. There isn't one in the room)

Anyway. Didn't change nothing by saying nothing and dooing nothing. Used to be a land of social agitators, trade unions and reformers. Lost our heart and soul in this country. Need a peasants revolt.

Hope you haven't put your bins out too early or you'll get fined. Hope you'ver separated all you waste and rcycling material - or you get fined. Hope you ahev gpot yuou signs at the right height and angle and letters the right side or....you get fined.

But someone pops you and you go off sick with no money and "you are only as cabbie (shrug)

We wil see what we can do.

Can't move foirward if I don't get up first.

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 Post subject: Re: Safety in Taxis
PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 4:58 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Junie2006 wrote:
OK Guys.

I am setting up a website to raise awareness and use it to do some kicking to get safty for driver and passenger in taxis taken seriously.


Once the site is up and running you will be in-undated with bad tales from the taxi/PH trade.


The issue is can anything be done about it, and answers are yes, and no. Yes in areas where councils, police and the trade work together (about 10% IMO) and no in the rest.

But I wish you well.


I think that the whole point will be about bad experiences, the trouble at the moment is that nobody is interested, and people are dying. One of our drivers was so seriously injured 6 months, ago he is still off work and does not know if he will be able to return, and he is one of the young ones.

If as indicated in an earlier post that the problems were endorsed with a crime number, then the problems we are facing will be factual. With the stats gathered the councils can be approached on a safety issue, of which they would ignore at their own peril.

I would be quite willing to have a camera (if subsidized) on the roof of my cab as well as inside. If we all did that the crime would fall quite dramatically and the streets would become safer, and so would we.

Or we can sit back and tut,tut,tut and do nothing. I am not having a go at you or anyone, But! there are do'ers and those who are going to do

It could be you or me next!

I am prepared to stick my neck out on this one, that is to stand up and be counted - or do we all do nothing!

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All I can say is best of luck with your website it is certainly needed, and if you don’t do it, who will.

Rome wasn’t built in a day and someone had to lay the first stone, get the website up and running properly and I am positive you will get all information you need


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I think the govt and everyyone is lazy. Years of soundbites and PR camera professional politicians. If they want to start with reducing crime then work with the ones that know and are on the end of it and in the middle. The ones who manage everyone on a staurday night and eithout truncheon or can of mace. But if the govt and police want us to help then help us. Forget the "petty" and focus on the real problems.

Anyway. Try my best and having a crack at this. God Bless the Lot of you and take care over the Bank Holiday. May your day be sunny to get them out. Then rain later to get them shouting TAXI!!! so they want to go home.

Junie :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 10:44 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Junie2006 wrote:
OK Guys.

I am setting up a website to raise awareness and use it to do some kicking to get safty for driver and passenger in taxis taken seriously.


Once the site is up and running you will be in-undated with bad tales from the taxi/PH trade.


The issue is can anything be done about it, and answers are yes, and no. Yes in areas where councils, police and the trade work together (about 10% IMO) and no in the rest.

But I wish you well.


I think that the whole point will be about bad experiences, the trouble at the moment is that nobody is interested, and people are dying. One of our drivers was so seriously injured 6 months, ago he is still off work and does not know if he will be able to return, and he is one of the young ones.

If as indicated in an earlier post that the problems were endorsed with a crime number, then the problems we are facing will be factual. With the stats gathered the councils can be approached on a safety issue, of which they would ignore at their own peril.

I would be quite willing to have a camera (if subsidized) on the roof of my cab as well as inside. If we all did that the crime would fall quite dramatically and the streets would become safer, and so would we.

Or we can sit back and tut,tut,tut and do nothing. I am not having a go at you or anyone, But! there are do'ers and those who are going to do

It could be you or me next!

I am prepared to stick my neck out on this one, that is to stand up and be counted - or do we all do nothing!


I think your being unfair, there is something happening and representative bodies are having a positive input......I know thats a shi**y statement to say on the back of 46 deaths in 15 years, butI can assre you the NTA is working towards a solution....unlike another organsation I could mention who are more interested in fringe benefits.

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Think we need to get our profile up and combat the attitude. Brought up to believe and working man should be respected and supported as he is working for himself, his home and family. Amazed how many assume we are not wqual to others and don't have same right of safety and well being. When I suggest drivers have a right not to be abuses or attacked its as if I've attacked and taken away their natural God given right.

One decent enough looking guy started the conversation as normal "What's a girl like you driving a taxi at this time of night........What about attacks etc etc2 Thought I was having a nice enough chat back saying everyone has a right to be safe and for it to be supported and taxi drivers safety should be supported and work together bladdy bladdy blah. At the end he got out and said "Who the [edited by admin] do you cabbies think you are? and that is just by a conversation saying cabbies shoudl be safe. Its a national God given right to "pop" a cabbie on a Saturday night. We will be changing the fabric of society if we took that right away from people. Will have to pop more old ladies instead.

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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:24 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
cabby john wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Junie2006 wrote:
OK Guys.

I am setting up a website to raise awareness and use it to do some kicking to get safty for driver and passenger in taxis taken seriously.


Once the site is up and running you will be in-undated with bad tales from the taxi/PH trade.


The issue is can anything be done about it, and answers are yes, and no. Yes in areas where councils, police and the trade work together (about 10% IMO) and no in the rest.

But I wish you well.


I think that the whole point will be about bad experiences, the trouble at the moment is that nobody is interested, and people are dying. One of our drivers was so seriously injured 6 months, ago he is still off work and does not know if he will be able to return, and he is one of the young ones.

If as indicated in an earlier post that the problems were endorsed with a crime number, then the problems we are facing will be factual. With the stats gathered the councils can be approached on a safety issue, of which they would ignore at their own peril.

I would be quite willing to have a camera (if subsidized) on the roof of my cab as well as inside. If we all did that the crime would fall quite dramatically and the streets would become safer, and so would we.

Or we can sit back and tut,tut,tut and do nothing. I am not having a go at you or anyone, But! there are do'ers and those who are going to do

It could be you or me next!

I am prepared to stick my neck out on this one, that is to stand up and be counted - or do we all do nothing!


I think your being unfair, there is something happening and representative bodies are having a positive input......I know thats a shi**y statement to say on the back of 46 deaths in 15 years, butI can assre you the NTA is working towards a solution....unlike another organsation I could mention who are more interested in fringe benefits.

CC


As I said CC I am not having a go at anyone - When I say no one is interested - I mean the authoritys i.e Police, L.As, Local politicians and for that matter politicians in general.

Having said that when people are dying - how can a process be so slow, this is a subject that should be as high profile as possible.

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OK

Time for a Peasants Revolt. Lets kick ass. if Mayor Guiliano can reduce attacks on drivers in New york by having a concerted campaign no reason Little Britain can't do the same. and change attitudes.

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