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Not quite so, that would only apply if the vehicle was standing in a street or on a taxi rank for the purpose of plying for hire. It would probably not apply to a hackney carriage in motion, regardless of whose licensing area they where in?


IT dose in Liverpool and Sefton :wink:

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Not quite so, that would only apply if the vehicle was standing in a street or on a taxi rank for the purpose of plying for hire. It would probably not apply to a hackney carriage in motion, regardless of whose licensing area they where in?


IT dose in Liverpool and Sefton :wink:


Good, show us the legislation that makes it unlawful.

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I followed a Berwick Plated vehicle on Saturday night over the Tyne Bridge and headed for the first available rank - he tried to pick up right in front of me from the front of the queue. (I was out my taxi and telling him to move on). That is how bad it is and that is happening ALL the time.


I'm afraid Newcastle is not exceptional when it comes to blatant illegal plying for hire. It is the same all over the country.

......atleast we are trying to get something done about it. Nobody can knock us for trying.


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We were told today that Newcastle Council CAN prosecute as well as Berwick.


What do you mean you were told today? Are you saying that the Newcastle taxi trade and Newcastle licensing enforcement weren't aware that they could prosecute any vehicle found breaking the law in respect of illegally plying for hire?


I'm sure Newcastle DO know they can prosecute - However, I'm certain the vast majority presumed that if Berwick were illegally plying for hire in Newcastle (or any other City), Berwick would be the only Council that could prosecute. I was surprised to find that information out and I've been driving for 10 years. I've always thought it was only the council that supplied the badge/plate that could prosecute.

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We were also told if ANY Berwick Plated vehicle has a For Hire sign illuminated he is "plying for hire" and therefore can be prosecuted.


Not quite so, that would only apply if the vehicle was standing in a street or on a taxi rank for the purpose of plying for hire. It would probably not apply to a hackney carriage in motion, regardless of whose licensing area they where in?

That's fine. If the vehicle is "in motion" I wouldn't try and confront the driver. However, we see numerous Berwick vehicles ranked up on the streets with the top sign lit, and that's not on.

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When I go to say Nottingham to pick up a pre booked fare in one of my taxis, I have the top sign on to help the customer find my car. Is this illegal then?

Depends on the circumstances. But I would be frankly amazed if anyone asked you to turn your light off.

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Not quite so, that would only apply if the vehicle was standing in a street or on a taxi rank for the purpose of plying for hire. It would probably not apply to a hackney carriage in motion, regardless of whose licensing area they where in?


IT dose in Liverpool and Sefton :wink:


Good, show us the legislation that makes it unlawful.

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JD I think it would be much better, if you provide us with the legislation that says a hackney from one area can ply for hire in another.. and the last hackney that I know of personally that was prosecuted for illegally plying for hire, was a Sefton hackney on the Wirral .. he was fined £300 and six points on his licence for no insurance...

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Depends on the circumstances. But I would be frankly amazed if anyone asked you to turn your light off.

Exactly that has happened on three occasions when Sheffield Taxis have been chaed down on a dual carriageway in Rotherham coming out of there back to Sheffield that they have been told to switch their "Hire" signs off. :roll:


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JD I think it would be much better, if you provide us with the legislation that says a hackney from one area can ply for hire in another.. and the last hackney that I know of personally that was prosecuted for illegally plying for hire, was a Sefton hackney on the Wirral .. he was fined £300 and six points on his licence for no insurance...


I have no qualms in educating you in respect of the legislation you crave but seeing as you made an unsubstantiated statement in respect of "for hire" signs, of which I legitimately asked you to clarify but as per usual you miserably failed to provide any evidence then I think the onus is on you to provide us with the legislative answer.

With respect of me providing you with legislative answers I have never said that a hackney carriage can ply for hire in any area it wishes. In fact you already know that and so does everyone else. However if your evasive question was meant to categorise hackney carriages working as private hire then you have to look no further than the 1976 act.

Now would you please be so kind as to show us the "national legislation" that prohibits a hackney carriage from displaying its hire sign when in motion and when travelling through an area other than the one in which it is licensed. If you don't know then just say so, or perhaps you may wish to recruit the advice of the organisation you belong namely the NTA, or perhaps GA or someone else can advise you.

Whatever you decide I really don't expect a coherent answer because quite frankly we are used to you making unqualified statements without any foundation whatsoever and then refusing to support them with accurate evidence.

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JD I think it would be much better, if you provide us with the legislation that says a hackney from one area can ply for hire in another.. and the last hackney that I know of personally that was prosecuted for illegally plying for hire, was a Sefton hackney on the Wirral .. he was fined £300 and six points on his licence for no insurance...


Now would you please be so kind as to show us the "national legislation" that prohibits a hackney carriage from displaying its hire sign when in motion and when travelling through an area other than the one in which it is licensed. If you don't know then just say so, or perhaps you may wish to recruit the advice of the organisation you belong namely the NTA, or perhaps GA or someone else can advise you.



I heard stories of cab drivers being stopped by the police for top lights being on out of area......but nowt more than stories.

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I heard stories of cab drivers being stopped by the police for top lights being on out of area......but nowt more than stories.

CC


I hope Trevor doesn't take my comments to heart but I would be most interested to read what he comes up with and perhaps he can also expand on the details surrounding the incidents he mentioned? After all, we are all on a continuous learning curve.

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Our LO are quite keen on extinguishing FH signs and top lights when out of area.

Indeed, one driver received 'penalty points' under the LA's disciplinary system when the LO spotted him 'lit up' near her home, which was outside the borough.

I'm not sure if it's a local bye-law or just rules and regs. I'll try and look it up if I get a chance.


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Indeed, one driver received 'penalty points' under the LA's disciplinary system when the LO spotted him 'lit up' near her home, which was outside the borough.

Remind me where in any act it allows councils to enforce their rules outside of their licensing areas. :?

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17 Mar 2008

Driver held in rogue taxi swoop

A bogus taxi driver was arrested for carrying knives in an operation to rid
Middlesbrough of unlicensed cabbies.

The arrest came in a joint operation involving Cleveland Police and
Middlesbrough Council officials.

The Friday evening swoop followed complaints from hackney carriage
owners about rogue operators.

A police spokeswoman said 15 vehicles were stopped, with 10 offences
found and one illegal taxi taken off the road because it was deemed to be unsafe.

The spokeswoman said the operation had been a "great success" and that
more were likely

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Indeed, one driver received 'penalty points' under the LA's disciplinary system when the LO spotted him 'lit up' near her home, which was outside the borough.

Remind me where in any act it allows councils to enforce their rules outside of their licensing areas. :?


That's an interesting point, Sussex!

Presumably the LA in whose area the vehicle is being driven could take action, or could they.....It's not licensed by them!!??!!

Does anyone else have any comments?


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17 Mar 2008

Driver held in rogue taxi swoop

A bogus taxi driver was arrested for carrying knives in an operation to rid
Middlesbrough of unlicensed cabbies.

The arrest came in a joint operation involving Cleveland Police and
Middlesbrough Council officials.

The Friday evening swoop followed complaints from hackney carriage
owners about rogue operators.

A police spokeswoman said 15 vehicles were stopped, with 10 offences
found and one illegal taxi taken off the road because it was deemed to be unsafe.

The spokeswoman said the operation had been a "great success" and that
more were likely


Can anyone put more meat on the bones of this article because its rather lacking in detail.

For instance how many of these vehicles were licensed and by whom and what type of license did they have?

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Sussex, I guess you mean't to say .......................

Remind me where in any act it allows councils to enforce their rules ON VEHICLES LICENSED outside of their licensing areas.



50 Provisions as to proprietors
(1) Without prejudice to the provisions of section 68 of this Act, the proprietor of any hackney carriage or of any private hire vehicle licensed by a district council shall present such hackney carriage or private hire vehicle for inspection and testing by or on behalf of the council within such period and at such place within the area of the council as they may by notice reasonably require:
Provided that a district council shall not under the provisions of this subsection require a proprietor to present the same hackney carriage or private hire vehicle for inspection and testing on more than three separate occasions during any one period of twelve months.
(2) The proprietor of any hackney carriage or private hire vehicle—
(a) licensed by a district council under the Act of 1847 or under this Part
of this Act; or
(b) in respect of which an application for a licence has been made to a
district council under the Act of 1847 or under this Part of this Act;
shall, within such period as the district council may by notice
reasonably require, state in writing the address of every place where
such hackney carriage or private hire vehicle is kept when not in use,
and shall if the district council so require afford to them such facilities
as may be reasonably necessary to enable them to cause such hackney
carriage or private hire vehicle to be inspected and tested there.
(3) Without prejudice to the provisions of [section 170 of the Road Traffic Act 1988], the proprietor of a hackney carriage or of a private hire vehicle licensed by a district council shall report to them as soon as reasonably practicable, and in any case within seventy-two hours of the occurrence thereof, any accident to such hackney carriage or private hire vehicle causing damage materially affecting the safety, performance or
appearance of the hackney carriage or private hire vehicle or the comfort or convenience of persons carried therein.
(4) The proprietor of any hackney carriage or of any private hire vehicle licensed by a district council shall at the request of any authorised officer of the council produce for inspection the vehicle licence for such hackney carriage or private hire vehicle and the certificate of the policy of insurance or security required by [Part VI of the Road Traffic Act 1988] in respect of such hackney carriage or private hire vehicle.
(5) If any person without reasonable excuse contravenes the provisions of this section, he shall be guilty of an offence.


or am I wrong

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