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Everythings gone to plan so far Skull, can't say to much about anything at the moment though but you are doing okay on your own though. :D

Please keep it coming bud, especially the bits with "we" which is of course the plural of "I"? :D

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Keep it coming, a few matters have come to light over the last couple of weeks that need to be looked into along with all the other aspects that need to be looked into and there's loads. :roll:


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Don't rise to the bait with these people, they are weirdos who obviously have many of the same mental deficiencies as some of our colleagues, infact some of them probably are our colleagues. :roll:

If these people are really so thick that they cannot understand the economics of the taxi trade then why bother engaging with them at all.

I think everybody wants to undermine the taxi trade in Edinburgh now, it's probably the same all over the country.

The price of the initial hire on tarrif one is about four fifths of the average price of a single sausage in an east of Scotland Chip shop, one stop on a bus is £1.10.

Imagine that, four fifths of a single sausage to get in a vehicle with it's own driver, so let us look at what else £1.50 gets you in todays Britain.

about 5 and a quarter cigarettes

one third to half a pint of beer

one third of one H4 headlight bulb

About one 46th of a Taxi tyre

About one 136th of a taxi test

About one 450 hundred millionth of the tram cost

About one 16th of a temporary insurance/name addition cover note

About one 803rd of the cost of a Taxi licence

The list is endless but the idea that people are unable to afford to use a taxi in Edinburgh is really farcical, if they cannot afford the taxis then they cannot afford anything else really and that isn't the fault of the taxi drivers anymore than it is the fault of the shops putting up prices.

Oh did I mention about 25 minutes of my time last night was equal to £1.50, of course thats net profit not gross.

The only people who are losing out here are the poor suckers behind the wheel of the taxis in Edinburgh, we are being and have been undermined by everyone and everything so don't ask for your umbrellas back because it's started raining.

Can't say or do anything much at the moment, but it won't be long now. :shock: :lol:



You need locked up ... :roll:

What the feck was all that about? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Stu, I hate to punish you relentlessly but, you really need to have a word.

You bought in with your eyes wide open.

Any court case is six months away. There is no de-restriction no deregulation, no loss of plate value. The economy is all fecked up. The Skull and Taylor had nothing to do with it. The Iraq war was nothing to do with us either.

The fact is Stu, you have made a complete er*e of yourself and its no one's fault but your own.

Now, don't think this is an act of weakness on my part, I just think you need to have your head looked at.

If fuel hits $200 a barrel, it's game over....


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No Skull, the fact is the taxi fares are not to expensive in Edinburgh, the Tariff one initial hire at £1.50 is woefully inadequate as a means of running a cab and making a reasonable living from it, you would need four of them to pay for one gallon of diesel.

Just think about it for once eh.:roll:

I find it sort of amusing that people say the fares are so expensive when the tariff one flagfall is just below the average price of a single sausage. :lol:

Government spending is going to hit £600 billion this year apparently, about £10K for every man woman and child in the country, this year I will be contributing well in excess of my £10k.


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I never made an erse of myself, there are already too many doing that and I like to be an individual, why steal their thunder.

Anyway I'll go away again, I'm always nervous on these forums these days, you never now if your speaking to a known felon. :lol:


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No Skull, the fact is the taxi fares are not to expensive in Edinburgh, the Tariff one initial hire at £1.50 is woefully inadequate as a means of running a cab and making a reasonable living from it, you would need four of them to pay for one gallon of diesel.

Just think about it for once eh.:roll:

I find it sort of amusing that people say the fares are so expensive when the tariff one flagfall is just below the average price of a single sausage. :lol:

Government spending is going to hit £600 billion this year apparently, about £10K for every man woman and child in the country, this year I will be contributing well in excess of my £10k.


Stu, value is a matter of perception. The public perception of taxidrivers is that we are a bunch of greedy, grasping bast*rds. We have done nothing to enhance our value in the public eye. There is no PR machine working on our behalf. We are an easy target for anyone, especially the press.

Why would you want to serve yourself up on a silver platter?

Every tariff rise in the past has meant a loss of work to the council owned bus company or the private hire.

The public are well aware of the current economic climate. They are scared. They want someone to blame. All they need need is an excuse.

Are you prepared to give the public the excuse they are looking for?

That little twenty pence could cost everyone big time. How many fares, are you prepared to lose for twenty pence?

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If the whole world is fecked or if the whole world is soon to be fecked what differance would a few coppers on each fare paid to a taxi driver make.

The perception that all taxi drivers are greedy feckers and are rolling in money is down in the most part to the claims of some that we are all earning a grand a week ................... some of these say this to justify the asking price of £50k for a HC plate.

The fact that we should all drown in debt to allow people to use our service is a daft argument .............. I'm sorry to sound heartless but those with limited funds will not use a taxi anyway when recession hits, the only users will be those with disposable income which allows them to, so your argument seems to me to be that you want people with more than average disposable income to pay less for a service to a person on the bones of their ar$e.

Seems like a typical Skull argument to me.

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If the whole world is fecked or if the whole world is soon to be fecked what differance would a few coppers on each fare paid to a taxi driver make.

The perception that all taxi drivers are greedy feckers and are rolling in money is down in the most part to the claims of some that we are all earning a grand a week ................... some of these say this to justify the asking price of £50k for a HC plate.

The fact that we should all drown in debt to allow people to use our service is a daft argument .............. I'm sorry to sound heartless but those with limited funds will not use a taxi anyway when recession hits, the only users will be those with disposable income which allows them to, so your argument seems to me to be that you want people with more than average disposable income to pay less for a service to a person on the bones of their ar$e.

Seems like a typical Skull argument to me.

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Tell me you are joking, GA?

Your above statement is simply breathtaking. And to think you once represented taxi drivers interests.

I almost feel embarrassed for you. :oops: :oops:

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Yeah Skull but you can't stop prices spiraling, goodbye to the nice decade and hello stagflation and back to the 1970's.

The oil prices are being predicted to hit $150 by July the 4th, they will not go down, they will stay high so why should Taxi operators and drivers in Edinburgh be any different from our municipal Bus company.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edi ... 317118.stm

The further undermining of the taxi trade in Edinburgh is totally unacceptable to me.

We have or should have an legitimate expectation that the administration of our trade ensures it remains viable, it's their system, their administration and thats where the buck stops,not with us.


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Yeah Skull but you can't stop prices spiraling, goodbye to the nice decade and hello stagflation and back to the 1970's.

The oil prices are being predicted to hit $150 by July the 4th, they will not go down, they will stay high so why should Taxi operators and drivers in Edinburgh be any different from our municipal Bus company.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edi ... 317118.stm

The further undermining of the taxi trade in Edinburgh is totally unacceptable to me.

We have or should have an legitimate expectation that the administration of our trade ensures it remains viable, it's their system, their administration and thats where the buck stops,not with us.



Stu, you can charge what you like?

Why not make it an extra pound on the meter?

The bottom line is, if no one gets into your cab, then what difference does it make?

You seem to be working on the assumption that people will use your services, no matter what you charge. This wasn't the case in the past and it certainly isn't the case now.

The only way your trade is going to remain a viable is by giving people an incentive to use your service. This doesn't mean pricing yourself out of existence. There is never a good time to give yourself a tariff rise but to do it now is madness. You won't weather the storm by chasing people away. At this moment in time, every pound is a prisoner , and every customer, an asset.

Any significant drop in customer numbers could signal the end for those owners and drivers in the most debt.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that customer needs you more than you need them.

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Two opposing and equally valid points of view. Edinburgh's dilema is echoed up and down the country. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Maybe now isn't the right time to heap more misery on the public but will it be any better in 6 months or a year? Diesel could easily be £1.50 in a few months or £2 by this time next year. How long can we afford to soak up these increases without passing them on?

Times are getting hard and it's going to get a lot worse. Passenger numbers will fall as the public tightens it's belt. Some of us will go to the wall, nothing surer. Those with the biggest overheads first. Others will survive by working longer hours and accepting a lower standard of living.
Many will jack it in and find other ways of making a crust.

Welcome to the recession.

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Thats the problem with you Skull.

"stack them high and sell them cheap"

well that only works when you have enough customers.

I'm not saying that a fare increase should be massive (even though the percentage rise in costs is) but I think that any rise should consider the economic climate as well as the needs of the drivers.

If I were still representing drivers then I would go to the council with exactly what the members instructed .............. and I would try and get them what they wanted................... if anyone didn't want a rise they could easily object.

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Two opposing and equally valid points of view. Edinburgh's dilema is echoed up and down the country. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Maybe now isn't the right time to heap more misery on the public but will it be any better in 6 months or a year? Diesel could easily be £1.50 in a few months or £2 by this time next year. How long can we afford to soak up these increases without passing them on?

Times are getting hard and it's going to get a lot worse. Passenger numbers will fall as the public tightens it's belt. Some of us will go to the wall, nothing surer. Those with the biggest overheads first. Others will survive by working longer hours and accepting a lower standard of living.
Many will jack it in and find other ways of making a crust.

Welcome to the recession.


At one time, we had an agreed annual formula with the council to keep up with the rate of inflation. What happened to that agreement, no one seems to know.


While I agree, a tariff rise is a necessity. The introduction of a rise is all about timing, and this isn't the time. A rise at this time would be counter-productive. It will simply amount to fewer customers using our services. You will end up with less money, not more. We have missed our chance. This is about battening down the hatches and weathering the storm. There is no port in sight. Abandoning your customer base to the ocean, is not the smartest thing to do. Had we got a rise last year. It may have caused some consternation but it wouldn't be the problem that it is now.

What is being asked for for is, too little too late and at the wrong time. Nothing more than an act of desperation. The public won't see it any differently but they will hate you for it.

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Two opposing and equally valid points of view. Edinburgh's dilema is echoed up and down the country. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Maybe now isn't the right time to heap more misery on the public but will it be any better in 6 months or a year? Diesel could easily be £1.50 in a few months or £2 by this time next year. How long can we afford to soak up these increases without passing them on?

Times are getting hard and it's going to get a lot worse. Passenger numbers will fall as the public tightens it's belt. Some of us will go to the wall, nothing surer. Those with the biggest overheads first. Others will survive by working longer hours and accepting a lower standard of living.
Many will jack it in and find other ways of making a crust.

Welcome to the recession.


At one time, we had an agreed annual formula with the council to keep up with the rate of inflation. What happened to that agreement, no one seems to know.


While I agree, a tariff rise is a necessity. The introduction of a rise is all about timing, and this isn't the time. A rise at this time would be counter-productive. It will simply amount to fewer customers using our services. You will end up with less money, not more. We have missed our chance. This is about battening down the hatches and weathering the storm. There is no port in sight. Abandoning your customer base to the ocean, is not the smartest thing to do. Had we got a rise last year. It may have caused some consternation but it wouldn't be the problem that it is now.

What is being asked for for is, too little too late and at the wrong time. Nothing more than an act of desperation. The public won't see it any differently but they will hate you for it.


What an excellent, productive response.

The only point I can see is, whilst I agree that there should be some battening of hatches and belt tightening we must not rely on our customer base to survive the recession themselves. What I mean by that is, and I think this is what Stu was referring to earlier, if a customer cannot afford our current tariff, as it is a luxury travelling by taxi to them, then they would not use us anyway when the tightened their own belts.

So an increase of 10% on a £5 fare would mean an extra 50p but if the customer couldn't afford the £5 in the first place the extra 50p wouldn't make much differance.

The public always moan about fare rises, on average fares in Gateshead rose by 2%pa and the customers always moaned ................ but they didn't moan harder or for longer when I secured a 10% rise the year before last.

The other thing is how the rise is applied ................ don't stick it on the flag .................... reduce the yardage.

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I have yet to see a rise of any kind result in the increase of earnings. In the long run, it has simply meant fewer customers and even less money. Edinburgh, has seen a 36% rise in tariffs in the last 8 years. This has resulted in approximately the same percentage reduction in customer numbers. Fewer fares the same or even less money. The only people who benefit from such an action is the local council owned bus company and the private hire.

Where as before, customers had very little choice. The transport market is now saturated with alternatives. The advent of the Internet, cheap drink and home entertainment, has killed off a lot of establishments that use to be the mainstay of the community and our income.

The times they are changing....

The taxi trade operates in the dark ages....

The focus, in recent years has been on drivers rentals and plate values. The customer has been almost totally ignored by those running Edinburgh's Premier Taxi Companies.

A customer should never find himself/herself in a position,when they phone up the taxi company they can't get an answer on the phone. This has always been the case, nothing has changed. The companies should have had a centralised system, to give the call customer a priority service. This would mean a system whereby, if one company could not cover the job it would be passed to the next, and so on and so forth. Instead, they thought it a better idea to give the work to the private hire and the council run bus company.

Greedy, fecking taxidrivers rate enough.

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