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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:29 pm 
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Believe it or not the law is on the side of the consumer but generally any claim is brought against the retailer and not the manufacturer.

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JD who would have the power to ban the sale new cabs Vosa or the government??? or some other body


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Meanwhile Manganise Bronze shares have gone up by 4%....
http://www.thelondondailynews.com/manga ... -1414.html

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thomasthetaxi wrote:
Somthings not right with these news story's
We have taxi drivers calling their cabs, cars.
What did Peter Rose mean when he said " by the time I got to the vehicle it was a complete burnt out, a right off. Surely he was driving it, did he run away and then come back. :?:
Why did Justin call his cab a car twice. :?:
Dose anyone know these two drivers :?:


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Justin or ''Stormcab'' as he likes to be known as,has post 39 videos at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMaSgP40DjE

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wow captain it seems Jason is a man after my own heart. If you click on related videos he has some great undercover shots of the Westminster Smart car doing al sorts of illegal activates.
I wonder if it was Westminster that sabotaged his cab just to get their own back.

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Black cab group faces claims over fires

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a108b5d0-8a6b-11dd-a76a-0000779fd18c.html

Manganese Bronze, London’s black cab maker, could face liability claims from at least 800 owner-drivers whose vehicles were pulled off the road last week following 12 unexplained engine fires.

The Licensed Taxi Drivers Association (LTDA) said on Wednesday it was unhappy about how long an investigation could take and that it would “pursue those responsible for compensation, and this could include London Taxis International [which makes the vehicles and is wholly owned by Manganese], the retailers, and very possibly Manganese and the finance companies”.

The LTDA said a claim could be significant. The affected vehicles – early models of the TX4 – cost between £30,000 and £40,000 including finance charges. If the association pursues a full claim, Manganese, which also has the lion’s share of the retail market through its Mann & Overton subsidiary, could face a liability of more than £30m.

In the six months to January 31, Manganese reported pre-tax profits of £1.5m on turnover of £43m.

John Russell, chief executive of Manganese, said that the company did not know yet whether the problem would have a material impact on its business. An investigation has been launched into the problem but he could not say how long it will take. The group has made no announcement to the Stock Exchange.

Manganese, which sells 60 per cent of the cabs bought in London, has felt the effect of the credit crunch and high fuel prices.

At the half year, Manganese said like-for-like sales had fallen more than 30 per cent. which was one of the reasons for its joint venture in China with Geely Automobile Holdings to produce TX4 cabs for the Chinese and international markets.

Mr Russell said an investigation would establish responsibility for the fires, and if and how compensation would be dispensed. However, in terms of the three-year TX4 warranty, Mr Russell said the company was ultimately responsible. “We will co-ordinate and manage any compensation processes that could arise from the investigation.”

Loss of earnings would be covered the company’s insurance, he said, but drivers were also required to do their best to minimise any losses by sharing cabs or renting replacements.

However, one cab driver said the situation was a crisis for the small community of London owner-drivers. “This is our Lehman Bros.”

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"Mr Russell said an investigation would establish responsibility for the fires, and if and how compensation would be dispensed."

"But drivers were also required to do their best to minimise any losses by sharing cabs or renting replacements."

Ref previous post ! :roll:


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captain cab wrote:
The Licensed Taxi Drivers Association (LTDA) said on Wednesday it was unhappy about how long an investigation could take and that it would “pursue those responsible for compensation, and this could include London Taxis International [which makes the vehicles and is wholly owned by Manganese], the retailers, and very possibly Manganese and the finance companies”.

The LTDA said a claim could be significant.



I'm quite sure the wind bags who place their faith in the local barrack-room lawyers will do just as well . . . not. :wink:


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Black cab group faces claims over fires

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/a108b5d0-8a6b-11dd-a76a-0000779fd18c.html

Manganese Bronze, London’s black cab maker, could face liability claims from at least 800 owner-drivers whose vehicles were pulled off the road last week following 12 unexplained engine fires.

The Licensed Taxi Drivers Association (LTDA) said on Wednesday it was unhappy about how long an investigation could take and that it would “pursue those responsible for compensation, and this could include London Taxis International [which makes the vehicles and is wholly owned by Manganese], the retailers, and very possibly Manganese and the finance companies”.

The LTDA said a claim could be significant. The affected vehicles – early models of the TX4 – cost between £30,000 and £40,000 including finance charges. If the association pursues a full claim, Manganese, which also has the lion’s share of the retail market through its Mann & Overton subsidiary, could face a liability of more than £30m.

In the six months to January 31, Manganese reported pre-tax profits of £1.5m on turnover of £43m.

John Russell, chief executive of Manganese, said that the company did not know yet whether the problem would have a material impact on its business. An investigation has been launched into the problem but he could not say how long it will take. The group has made no announcement to the Stock Exchange.

Manganese, which sells 60 per cent of the cabs bought in London, has felt the effect of the credit crunch and high fuel prices.

At the half year, Manganese said like-for-like sales had fallen more than 30 per cent. which was one of the reasons for its joint venture in China with Geely Automobile Holdings to produce TX4 cabs for the Chinese and international markets.

Mr Russell said an investigation would establish responsibility for the fires, and if and how compensation would be dispensed. However, in terms of the three-year TX4 warranty, Mr Russell said the company was ultimately responsible. “We will co-ordinate and manage any compensation processes that could arise from the investigation.”

Loss of earnings would be covered the company’s insurance, he said, but drivers were also required to do their best to minimise any losses by sharing cabs or renting replacements.

However, one cab driver said the situation was a crisis for the small community of London owner-drivers. “This is our Lehman Bros.”


Sorry Captain, I did not realise that you had posted this last night & I posted the same this morning with an addition from The London Daily News.

I'll leave my post now but will amend it to credit you with the first reports on TDO.

Again, apoligies.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
What About The Taxi-cab Drivers?

21st September 2008

By John 'The Cabbie' Kennedy

All London Taxi-cab drivers understand the need to ensure that we and the travelling public must have full confidence in the vehicle we drive. The decision to revoke licence plates on all 56 reg TX4 taxi-cabs I'm sure was not taken lightly, our safety record here in London is second to no other part of the transport network, we should be rightly proud of that and always ensure that this remains the case.

My concern at this moment in time is with the taxi-cab drivers who have lost the ability to work through no fault of their own.

I believe the following remedial action needs to take place now:

1. Emergency funding should be made available to each of these taxi-cab drivers if required.

2. Every effort should be made to find, source and if need be plate unused TX2's, 1's or even fairways. A 24 hour emergency operation may be required here or permission for temporary plates to be issued to get these taxi-cabs and drivers back to work.

3. Finance payments should be suspended on all affected taxi-cabs, I urge all finance companies to assist with drivers in a compassionate and sympathetic manner.

The events of the last week have dented the confidence of the London taxi trade so we must all work even harder to protect the reputation of the world's best taxi service. When a solution is found to this problem we must demand a forensic examination of the failings within the present regulatory framework that allowed eight taxi-cabs in London to go up in flames before decisive action was taken to protect the driver, passenger and reputation of our industry.

We the taxi-cab driver need a Public Carriage Office ( PCO.) that is 110% committed to the taxi trade and not distracted by private hire/mini-cab issues, therefore I call upon the Mayor of London Boris Johnson and the whole board of Transport for London to split the PCO in two.


Source; The London Daily News


HERE HERE


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It appears, finally, that the DfT have decided to act, or at least give a pretense of action.

The letter below has been sent to all licensing authorities, and includes all the PCO and LTI statements that we have put up on TDO over the last week.

Alex



Dear Chief Executive,

TAXI LICENSING – UNDER BONNET FIRES IN TX4 VEHICLES

This letter affects you if your local authority has granted hackney carriage licences to any TX4 taxis.

You may be aware of a recently identified problem involving under bonnet fires in certain TX4 taxis. London Taxis International (LTI – the manufacturer of these vehicles) is investigating the cause and is, we understand, in touch with local licensing authorities. We understand that all the fires in London so far have been within the Vehicle Identification Number range 200000 to 201000. A statement from LTI dated 22 September is attached.

It is, of course, a matter for local licensing authorities themselves to make licensing decisions. However, we thought it would be helpful to alert you to the action which is being taken by Transport for London’s Public Carriage Office (PCO). Accordingly, I attach a set of four PCO Notices which explain the action they are taking in London to deal with this problem. You might wish to be aware of the approach which they have adopted in considering your own policy.

I hope this is helpful.

Yours sincerely,

David Farmer



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Always at the coows tail that man farmer :evil:


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I think the following Wikipedia TX4 page link needs editing, by someone who has the FULL FACTS, under the paragraph entitled 'Fire Issues' as it is not up to date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TX4

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http://www.tfl.gov.uk/businessandpartners/1414.aspx

Still awaiting the announcement by the PCO so keep checking here
I dont know what time they make them but it was supposed to be lunch time


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skippy41 wrote:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/businessandpartners/1414.aspx

Still awaiting the announcement by the PCO so keep checking here
I dont know what time they make them but it was supposed to be lunch time


I understand the meeting didn't start until 1pm but an announcement will be made sometime today.

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Just seen this release on one of the money market sites. Appears they might recall them all at a cost of £4,000,000. :shock:

http://www.hemscott.com/news/static/tfn ... 6083936721

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