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And that's perhaps a salutary lesson with regard to any legislation - as I said a few months ago to someone expecting limo legislation within a short space of time, I would multiply the expected timeframe several fold :lol:

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In fact, I suspect that by the time limo legislation is passed they'll be about as fashionable as a F C U K t-shirt is this year :lol:

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And where would it be written that the self drive hire is illegal.

1847 cab act.
1976 PH act.
1981 PSV act.

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And where would it be written that the self drive hire is illegal.

1847 cab act.
1976 PH act.
1981 PSV act.


Do they specifically state that you can't hire a vehicle for self drive and then employ the services of a chauffeur? I don't think so. Point me to the passage that actually states that this practice is illegal. None of the above acts deal with self drive hire vehicles.

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grandad wrote:
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And where would it be written that the self drive hire is illegal.

1847 cab act.
1976 PH act.
1981 PSV act.


Do they specifically state that you can't hire a vehicle for self drive and then employ the services of a chauffeur? I don't think so. Point me to the passage that actually states that this practice is illegal. None of the above acts deal with self drive hire vehicles.


The sham being operated is private hire for hire or reward, not self drive hire. Providing a driver directly or indirectly, is supply, which ever way you look at it and as soon as the owner of the vehicle opens his moth and says "I can put you in touch with an agency who will supply a driver" then the illegal act is done. In my opinion of course.

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JD wrote:
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And where would it be written that the self drive hire is illegal.

1847 cab act.
1976 PH act.
1981 PSV act.


Do they specifically state that you can't hire a vehicle for self drive and then employ the services of a chauffeur? I don't think so. Point me to the passage that actually states that this practice is illegal. None of the above acts deal with self drive hire vehicles.


The sham being operated is private hire for hire or reward, not self drive hire. Providing a driver directly or indirectly, is supply, which ever way you look at it and as soon as the owner of the vehicle opens his moth and says "I can put you in touch with an agency who will supply a driver" then the illegal act is done. In my opinion of course.

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Unfortunatly for you JD, your opinion on this counts for nothing. Until a court of law decides otherwise then it is legal.

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Unfortunatly for you JD, your opinion on this counts for nothing. Until a court of law decides otherwise then it is legal.


Your quite right and the same applies to you and those operating this illegal sham.

Here is one such company that seems to have the right attitude albeit that their interpretation of the self drive sham is incorrect. However they probably don't have the detailed knowledge of the legalities surrounding "hire or reward" to determine otherwise.

http://www.limo-for-hire.co.uk/about.htm

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Unfortunatly for you JD, your opinion on this counts for nothing. Until a court of law decides otherwise then it is legal.


Your quite right and the same applies to you and those operating this illegal sham.

Here is one such company that seems to have the right attitude albeit that their interpretation of the self drive sham is incorrect. However they probably don't have the detailed knowledge of the legalities surrounding "hire or reward" to determine otherwise.

http://www.limo-for-hire.co.uk/about.htm

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I do not operate over 8 seat limos. All mine are 8 seat and licensed for private hire.
I do not even want to operate over 8 seat limos. What I do want is for the operators who are doing things by the rules as they are at the moment to be able to get on with running their businesses and for the out and out cowboys to either get educated or get out of the business. When the new legislation comes out, hopefully in the new year, I will be pushing for all limo operators to abide by the new legislation.

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grandad wrote:

I do not operate over 8 seat limos.


I never said you did.

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All mine are 8 seat and licensed for private hire.


I am quite aware of the fact that you only operate 8 seaters, you have said so on numerous accasions.

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When the new legislation comes out, hopefully in the new year, I will be pushing for all limo operators to abide by the new legislation.


What gives you the impression new legislation will be forthcoming next year? I'm afraid I don't share your optimism.

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Your quite right and the same applies to you and those operating this illegal sham.

I thought that by this comment you were of the opinion that I was operating under self drive.

Both the NLcA and the ELA have been in talks with VOSA, dft etc and have been told that this legislation should be ready early next year. I just hope that it is.

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But if the self-drive scheme is legal, then surely the point is that it's then legal for a murder and rapist to driver strangers around in a limo.

As I said a few days ago - and which no one addressed - if it is legal it's about driving a coach and horses through the spirit of the law rather than the letter of it.

The Pink Ladies tried another legislative provision to legally run unlicensed cars and drivers, and when this clearly rode rougshod over the spirit of the PH legislation then the Govt closed the loophole.

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The Pink Ladies tried another legislative provision to legally run unlicensed cars and drivers, and when this clearly rode rougshod over the spirit of the PH legislation then the Govt closed the loophole.


Indeed and look how quickly it was done, does that not tell you something, ie that this is not such a bad system in the eyes of the law and is not easily closed down, could it be because its legal and theres nothing they can do??? Please dont get me wrong and no offence S6 specialist i personally think the system is not very clever, however i know its legal to within the realms that a barrister looked at the idea and gave it the all clear and its the only system currently available to these ops thats at a reasonable price, therefore i support them until such times as omething more suitable comes along

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Indeed and look how quickly it was done, does that not tell you something, ie that this is not such a bad system in the eyes of the law and is not easily closed down, could it be because its legal and theres nothing they can do???


Err, how about changing the law? :roll:

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Indeed and look how quickly it was done, does that not tell you something, ie that this is not such a bad system in the eyes of the law and is not easily closed down, could it be because its legal and theres nothing they can do???


Err, how about changing the law? :roll:


Err, isn't that what we all want. :roll:

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Err, my point was that Kermit seems to be saying that if something is legal then the law can't be changed :roll:

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