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Wayne, you do yourself no service with this kind of humour. Why not raise the bar a little, engage the argument, your choice?
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Jim,

It seems that from what you are saying, that you are happy for criminals to be involved in taxi and phc companies, just as long as they have a front man.

I congratulate the police on their actions. There have been shootings, stabbing and god knows what else going on in glasgow for some time where the victim or suspect has been described as "involved in a private hire taxi company".

But that's ok with you it seems.


Frank

I don't care who operates in the business, just as long as they obey the rules.

There is nothing to suggest that this company has broken PH rules. The cops have attached matters to them and are using licesing to dig them out. This is insidious.

You may be next. Now read the text again and this time engage your brain for a change.

As for PH, which is what this company is. That they exist in the numbers they do, which is what I suspect you really object to, is entirely down to your restriction of taxis. By denying me and my ilk our rights you've elevated PH to a position of dominance in our market. You are a fool if you can't see this.

So, I say dig out those who break the licensing rules. And deresrict to bring back control to the senior service.

And, in doing so, help retain a society free from council and cop interference.


Throw away the shovel m8....

The hole's getting bigger.... #-o



Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence before guilt?


What if you find yourself facing an accusation by the police, with no way to prove your innocence, simply because you haven't done anything? The police have no proof, but who needs proof when an accusation is good enough. You can wave goodbye to your licence boys, and any other rights you might think, you have.

Don't forget tx_op, what's good for the goose? :shock:


Skull,

Methinks you have to ascertain exactly where you're morals lie !
you abhor ECC for their skullduggery (pardon the pun) and inability to think as you do then,when an LA implement the law in order to protect both Trade and Public,this meets also with your contempt...

explain please......... :?


Problem is that this firm is being dug out not because of infringement of taxi laws, but because the cops and the council don't like them because of perceived links to crime.

This is not what law is supposed to be about. If they, or any members of the company are guilty of a criminal act then they should be properly charged and dealt with in the courts.

But dredging up spent convictions and other suppositions is hardly justice.

If criminals are not allowed to rehabilitate, are not allowed to enter into lawful business, and not allowed to become part of normal society, then what this council and these cops are saying is that they should be kept in jail for ever or even hanged.

I doubt whether society as a whole believes this.

What we have here is a naked abuse of council and cop power, supported by the courts who are reluctant to interfere in the actions of government, preferring to allow them huge discretion. I say this a discretion too far. Councils are now out of control.

Perhaps the proof of the pudding here is that its not members of the public complaining here. Its the establishment control freak cops and councils. So how is what they are doing in the public interest?

Truth is, the public don't care, not affected, not interested.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:56 pm 
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The firm claims the police have made allegations linking it to money-laundering and organised crime but that these are “entirely without merit and wholly false”. It also took a swipe at Glasgow Labour MSP Paul Martin for failing to support the firm when asked to intervene on its behalf.



The reason that the MSP won't intervene is because when this Scottish government assumed office it signed a concordat with COSLA which states that Parliament will not interfere in council matters for a period of four years, the life of the Parliament.

This was done to get Councils onside with the minority SNP government. So Martin is duty bound not to support this firm because of his conflict of interest with the concordat.

What this has done is give councils inordinate power, which they are exercising in this way. This is not democracy but elected dictatorship.

Truth is that whenever you are fighting a council, on whatever matter, MSPs give you the political bodyswerve.

The councils and the cops are out of control, all while masquerading as public protectors. But who is being protected?

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Frank Lay wrote:
Jimmy boy,

You will argue against anything done by any council or authority.

If that means that you support drug dealers and gangsters,

Then that seems to be fine with you!



The choice is who would you support, Gangsters and Drug Dealers OR The police and council ?

It is clear you support the first, but I think you will find most people will choose the second.

due process under the law frank
that means a court of law
where evidence is produced and countered.
and if a successful prosecution is made, then and only then should the police be able to object or even comment on the matter to the local authority.then and only then should any action be taken by the authority

to proceed to defame,lible,criminalize,and downright run them out of town without going through the proper process.is the thin end of the wedge.
its fascism.

why not look into what an asbo really is frank
i was there when a neighbors of mines family was threatened by the police and the landlord with an asbo,with the intention of evicting them.
this 11 year olds alleged offence.......he threw a snowball at the window of a polish imigrant.
just a little overkill from the authorities dont you think.
this is what happens when you relinquish your rights so easily.

look up how asbo's came about frank
and try to work out why they exist at all.
after all if a crime has been committed then you should be charged with a criminal offense,surely.rather than go through the civil courts process where the evidence and judgment is down to probability's rather than evidence.
then try to imagine a scenario where you accidentally through a snowball while out playing with your kids and it hits a neighbors car or house window and you suddenly find yourself being evicted from your home.
then try reading niemoller's poem again

i know what the real crime is hear and so does any sane person.
im no fan of the ph gangster mob but i believe you cannot simply take up the pitchforks without any evidence at all,this is like going back to medieval times


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Ali,

What do you suggest is done about drug dealers and gangsters using phc to launder and earn money?

Or do we just put up with it, because they use a front man.

" Then they came for the drug dealers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a drug dealer; "

seems fair enough to me.
I will wait until they come for someone that I care about before I speak out.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Ali,

What do you suggest is done about drug dealers and gangsters using phc to launder and earn money?

Or do we just put up with it, because they use a front man.

" Then they came for the drug dealers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a drug dealer; "

seems fair enough to me.
I will wait until they come for someone that I care about before I speak out.

ah but frank by the time they come for someone you care about you'll be all that is left,and no one will be there to speak for you and yours.
or don't you get that.

the police fail to get evidence to prosecute successfully thats their fault because they fail us,probably because they are to busy trying to evict law abiding citizens who's kid had the audacity to be a child and throw a snowball.
our countries fecked,and we have allowed it to be.
this sort of action is an erosion of yours and my civil liberties frank,ah dont give a feck about drug dealers, and neither do the government,they only target them because they operate outwith the system, earning shedloads and paying nothing back.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Ali,

What do you suggest is done about drug dealers and gangsters using phc to launder and earn money?

Or do we just put up with it, because they use a front man.

" Then they came for the drug dealers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a drug dealer; "

seems fair enough to me.
I will wait until they come for someone that I care about before I speak out.

btw i doubt their is any need to launder money through network phc or any other phc company,maybe back in the day yes,but i would think its pretty much self sustaining these days don't you.

problem is frank if you allow it to happen to them .
who says one day you or i are running a successful legitimate phc business,and you [edited by admin] off the cops for some fickle reason and they use the same actions to shut you down and steal your busines,house and any other assets off you.
then how would you feel


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:30 pm 
Jasbar wrote:
tx_op wrote:
Skull wrote:
tx_op wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
Frank Lay wrote:
Jim,

It seems that from what you are saying, that you are happy for criminals to be involved in taxi and phc companies, just as long as they have a front man.

I congratulate the police on their actions. There have been shootings, stabbing and god knows what else going on in glasgow for some time where the victim or suspect has been described as "involved in a private hire taxi company".

But that's ok with you it seems.


Frank

I don't care who operates in the business, just as long as they obey the rules.

There is nothing to suggest that this company has broken PH rules. The cops have attached matters to them and are using licesing to dig them out. This is insidious.

You may be next. Now read the text again and this time engage your brain for a change.

As for PH, which is what this company is. That they exist in the numbers they do, which is what I suspect you really object to, is entirely down to your restriction of taxis. By denying me and my ilk our rights you've elevated PH to a position of dominance in our market. You are a fool if you can't see this.

So, I say dig out those who break the licensing rules. And deresrict to bring back control to the senior service.

And, in doing so, help retain a society free from council and cop interference.


Throw away the shovel m8....

The hole's getting bigger.... #-o



Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence before guilt?


What if you find yourself facing an accusation by the police, with no way to prove your innocence, simply because you haven't done anything? The police have no proof, but who needs proof when an accusation is good enough. You can wave goodbye to your licence boys, and any other rights you might think, you have.

Don't forget tx_op, what's good for the goose? :shock:


Skull,

Methinks you have to ascertain exactly where you're morals lie !
you abhor ECC for their skullduggery (pardon the pun) and inability to think as you do then,when an LA implement the law in order to protect both Trade and Public,this meets also with your contempt...

explain please......... :?


Problem is that this firm is being dug out not because of infringement of taxi laws, but because the cops and the council don't like them because of perceived links to crime.

This is not what law is supposed to be about. If they, or any members of the company are guilty of a criminal act then they should be properly charged and dealt with in the courts.

But dredging up spent convictions and other suppositions is hardly justice.

If criminals are not allowed to rehabilitate, are not allowed to enter into lawful business, and not allowed to become part of normal society, then what this council and these cops are saying is that they should be kept in jail for ever or even hanged.

I doubt whether society as a whole believes this.

What we have here is a naked abuse of council and cop power, supported by the courts who are reluctant to interfere in the actions of government, preferring to allow them huge discretion. I say this a discretion too far. Councils are now out of control.

Perhaps the proof of the pudding here is that its not members of the public complaining here. Its the establishment control freak cops and councils. So how is what they are doing in the public interest?

Truth is, the public don't care, not affected, not interested.


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Frank Lay wrote:
Ali,

What do you suggest is done about drug dealers and gangsters using phc to launder and earn money?

Or do we just put up with it, because they use a front man.

" Then they came for the drug dealers, and I did not speak out - because I was not a drug dealer; "

seems fair enough to me.
I will wait until they come for someone that I care about before I speak out.



There is no money being laundered through PH. With VAT, HMRC and council inspectors there would be no point. The effort involved would render it not worth it.

And if it were happening the cops would have closed it down already, and I would be praising their efforts.

This company is being dug out through licensing because the cops can't prove wrongdoing. So they are using the licensing system to inflict their own sentence of guilt and to punish them. All based on Macaskill's hunch.

Jeeze, this isn't democracy. It's fascism.


BTW Waiting for them to come for someone yo cre about will be too late. And it will be your fault.



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FFS - you be telling us next that Al Capone was just a misunderstood philanthropist who forgot to file his tax return on time. He was a murdering criminal. Just because the FBI couldn't prove it doesn't make it any less true.

You're either a moron or a puppet, though most people reckon you're both.



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Coastal Rocky wrote:
FFS - you be telling us next that Al Capone was just a misunderstood philanthropist who forgot to file his tax return on time. He was a murdering criminal. Just because the FBI couldn't prove it doesn't make it any less true.

You're either a moron or a puppet, though most people reckon you're both.



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If the FBI couldn't prove this, how do YOU know it's true?



Gosh, I can't wait to hear this response

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Coastal Rocky wrote:
FFS - you be telling us next that Al Capone was just a misunderstood philanthropist who forgot to file his tax return on time. He was a murdering criminal. Just because the FBI couldn't prove it doesn't make it any less true.

You're either a moron or a puppet, though most people reckon you're both.



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where does it stop,jailed for your political views,being a certain color or religion.

thats justice right enough :roll:

if the FBI couldn't prove it then maybe their was no proof,or maybe they were just crap at there jobs,or to busy with the then illegal bootlegging industry,which is no longer illegal btw and tax's are paid on drink and strangely enough the drinks industry are no longer seen as criminals.
even although it causes as much harm as drugs peddled on the streets.

just like the massive pharmaceutical industry which peddles needless drugs to the masses through the unscrupulous nhs


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Jasbar wrote:
Coastal Rocky wrote:
FFS - you be telling us next that Al Capone was just a misunderstood philanthropist who forgot to file his tax return on time. He was a murdering criminal. Just because the FBI couldn't prove it doesn't make it any less true.

You're either a moron or a puppet, though most people reckon you're both.



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If the FBI couldn't prove this, how do YOU know it's true?



Gosh, I can't wait to hear this response

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh Jimmy being as nit-picking as usual - what I should have said the FBI couldn't prove it in a court of law.

Now as even you must appreciate, getting reliable witnesses to testify in court, when faced with the kind of intimidation which went on, made getting a conviction nay on impossible.

So are you saying Al Capone WASN'T a gangster jimmy?

I can't wait to hear your response on this...........................


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I just don't know. Then again, neither do you. Neither did the FBI, cos they couldn't prove it.

We know as much about Capone being a gangster as Christ being the Messiah.

The difference between us is that despite not knowing, you assume guilt. I require the Law to prove it.

We want to live in different types of society.

You're quite happy being a stepford bewildered herd type. Me, I demand my Human Rights to live my life free from interference by control freaks.

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Jimmy boy,

Are your weegie phc friends fixing you up with a wee supply of something?

You must be under the influence of something to post some of the rubbish that you have posted lately.

Or perhaps you have a fear of those glasgow gangsters, and are frightened to say anything that might upset them.

Jim Taylor = mouthpiece of the drug trade.

Yep, you are just a wee pussy cat when it comes to glasgow drug dealers.


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