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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:10 pm 
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oh yes ,Scotland’s debt from being part of the Union is running at a estimated £60 billion. According to Secretary of State Michael Moore an independent Scotland would have been £41 billion in the red.He said " total spending in Scotland (including a share of 'UK services' like defence and foreign relations) has been £41 billion higher than the country’s total revenues, including oil and gas revenues."
That's £19 billion of a saving we would have had if we had been independent for the last 30 years . Put it another way, the UK has burdened each and every Scot with additional debt equivalent to £3,800.
So when you take the money and lives that would have been saved on illegal wars and trident i think the dept from being independent would have conciderely lower than the 41 billion .

I do agree that we will have to pay our share of the U.Ks national dept estimated to be 60 billion but i am sure we could bring that down a good bit with our share of the crown estate being divided up .


Did he factor in the amount Scots on this side of the border spend on Special Brew and lurchers?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:12 pm 
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I would be interested if any of us English chaps really mind what the Scots do.

As I mentioned above, great if you want to stay in the Union, but if you want to go your own way, then I wish you well. (and I actually mean that :shock: )

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I would be interested if any of us English chaps really mind what the Scots do.

As I mentioned above, great if you want to stay in the Union, but if you want to go your own way, then I wish you well. (and I actually mean that :shock: )


I think you'll find that is the view of the southern english......the borderers might just want them to go :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:41 pm 
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I used to like bagpuss ffs.

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But there's no need to refer to Mr Salmond in those terms [-X


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I think you'll find that is the view of the southern english......the borderers might just want them to go :wink:

I think us southerners would wish the border was moved down about 200 miles south. :D

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Alex Salmond has always been anti English he stokes up nationalism at every turn.
If Scotland gets its independence it will be swallowed up in Europe. It would be a little poor fish being circled by the big fish of Germany and France and England. Salmond is another Brown ...tax high spend big, and let another leader and the tax payer pay the consequences later, after he is long gone and spending his gold plated pension on haggis and whiskey.

Oh by the way with independence comes a share of the U.Ks national dept .

Everything you have written makes you someone who hasn't got a clue :roll:

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I will have my say on this topic thank you and maybe i will dispel any concerns about the validity of the potential of an independent Scotland.

Firstly the referendum will be fought on the future not the past :shock: So you can have our oil in the name of unity but you will never take away our right to Freeeedom :D

5 resources that will safe guard Scotland from becoming just another poor state within Europe :D

Water: Oh how the Tories would love Scotland to sell/privatise its water, Alex Salmond knows the value of Water and with Scottish water providing the North of England with 33% of its Water which generates an awful lot of electricity, i'm sure Alex won't want to let white gold run through his hands :wink:

Wind: Vast area's of land, windiest country in Europe, a power that injects an awful lot of investment from all over europe

Wave: what comes with Wave is Tidal, 2 sources of energy and Scotland leads the way in the development of the technology to bring these 2 sources of energy to the market, its stated that between Wind, Wave and Tidal that Scotland attracts 90%+ of all investment in Natural rescources.

Whisky: With 1 billion bottles of single malt sold in one year i think you can estimate that Scotland's whisky industry definitly contributes to our economy and in a big way.

Will: If say 5% of the U.K population is a reasonable figure to show the social problem we have in our country, you know the people who don't want to work or the genuine cases who can't work, then thats currently a U.K wide problem of 3 million. I may say that 3 million is a high number but hey under your Tories anything is possible, but its a reasonable figure, i think the problem UK wide is unsolvable don't you, its way out of control.

So lets transfer that figure of 5% to an independant Scotland :wink: Don't tell the English but that is only 250,000 leaving the English with a 2.75million social problem, i have over estimated a bit :lol: :lol:

An independant Scotland through WILL POWER could through education tackle the social problems we have, attacking a massive social bill that cost's us a huge wack of our budget, that money could and will be re-directed.

So we have the 5 Ws strategy for the intellegent to think before they vote YES or no, no use of the past in the above as i've said no point in using the old oil argument but we can use it as a bonus and especially the new oil feild whith yeilds of another 355bilion smackeroonies :shock:

The referendum will be 2014 yes the 700th anniversary of the battle of bannockburn and the un educated will swallow this argument and with pride.

Now who's fecked if Scotland go independant, i suspect N.ireland and Wales but with a huge social problem i fear England will come next, Scotland with so many rescources and friends across the atlantic could quite easily become the ARABS of the north, now what resources does england have over Scotland :?: Does England have a plan B if Scotland goes it alone :?: Scotland has and its called Devo Max :wink: You see Alex Salmond is a bit like Oliver Twist it's just this time he is standing at David Camerons door saying "Please can i have some More", If David say's NO then the Tories look bad up here in Scotland and if David say's YES (highly un-likley) The its Alex that gets the credit not the Tories.

You English have to though ask yourself this question, Does the the Tories want Rid of Scotland, Wales and N.ireland :?: I genuinly believe they do but trust me they havn't thought this strategy through :wink:

I will leave it at that but hey with the problems England has its a good luck from and a good luck from him :lol: :lol: :lol:

Scotland all English welcome no need to show your passport we believe you :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Sussex wrote:
captain cab wrote:
I think you'll find that is the view of the southern english......the borderers might just want them to go :wink:

I think us southerners would wish the border was moved down about 200 miles. :D


Yeah me too.

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Yes lets put up wind farms and spoil our main asset for future generations, the tourists, afterall it's the only decent industry left up here:roll:

Let flood the seas around our coast with booms for tidal power.

Tell you what you nats should use the wind that comes out your traps because you have plenty.


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Private Reggie wrote:
youbeenbusy wrote:
Alex Salmond has always been anti English he stokes up nationalism at every turn.
If Scotland gets its independence it will be swallowed up in Europe. It would be a little poor fish being circled by the big fish of Germany and France and England. Salmond is another Brown ...tax high spend big, and let another leader and the tax payer pay the consequences later, after he is long gone and spending his gold plated pension on haggis and whiskey.

Oh by the way with independence comes a share of the U.Ks national dept .

Everything you have written makes you someone who hasn't got a clue :roll:


On the contrary, he's spot on.

Alex Salmond said on TV at the weekend that Scotland would still consider joining the euro, but what's self-evident in that regard is that for the single currency to work the eurozone will have to move towards a United States of Europe, thus so much for independence.

Salmond was saying for years that interest rates set in London were inappropriate for Scotland, but instead his solution was for them to be set in Frankfurt for the needs of France and Germany :roll:

Of course, he's now backtracked a bit and an independent Scotland would retain sterling until such time as it would be appropriate to join the euro, but that would be back to interest rates set by the European Central Bank and indeed tax and spend policies set by Europe as well, at least if the euro is to work.

And assuming Scotland is to be the 'Saudi Arabia of Europe' then all this would entail Scotland's wealth being used to subsidise the poorer, spendthrift countries like Greece and Portugal.

And on the subject of irresponsible spending, that's also where 'youbeenbusy' is spot on, because the SNP wasn't complaining when the money was flowing out of Westminster and Holyrood was spending it like it was going out of fashion, but now that the bills have to be paid they're crying like a teenager who's overspent on a credit card and can't go out clubbing every night of the week :roll:


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Dusty Bin wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
youbeenbusy wrote:
Alex Salmond has always been anti English he stokes up nationalism at every turn.
If Scotland gets its independence it will be swallowed up in Europe. It would be a little poor fish being circled by the big fish of Germany and France and England. Salmond is another Brown ...tax high spend big, and let another leader and the tax payer pay the consequences later, after he is long gone and spending his gold plated pension on haggis and whiskey.

Oh by the way with independence comes a share of the U.Ks national dept .

Everything you have written makes you someone who hasn't got a clue :roll:


On the contrary, he's spot on.

Alex Salmond said on TV at the weekend that Scotland would still consider joining the euro, but what's self-evident in that regard is that for the single currency to work the eurozone will have to move towards a United States of Europe, thus so much for independence.

Salmond was saying for years that interest rates set in London were inappropriate for Scotland, but instead his solution was for them to be set in Frankfurt for the needs of France and Germany :roll:

Of course, he's now backtracked a bit and an independent Scotland would retain sterling until such time as it would be appropriate to join the euro, but that would be back to interest rates set by the European Central Bank and indeed tax and spend policies set by Europe as well, at least if the euro is to work.

And assuming Scotland is to be the 'Saudi Arabia of Europe' then all this would entail Scotland's wealth being used to subsidise the poorer, spendthrift countries like Greece and Portugal.

And on the subject of irresponsible spending, that's also where 'youbeenbusy' is spot on, because the SNP wasn't complaining when the money was flowing out of Westminster and Holyrood was spending it like it was going out of fashion, but now that the bills have to be paid they're crying like a teenager who's overspent on a credit card and can't go out clubbing every night of the week :roll:


Backed tracked 'a bit' ffs its the mother of all backtracks....but Scotland is a one party state.....a little like Zimbabwe, but Zimbabwe seem's to have a larger choice of political parties, because the one thing the scots dont want is a choice that includes 'those b*stards south of the border'. TBH I dont really blame them on that one.......you keep employing silly southern civil servants that seem to screw the country irrelevant to whom a person votes for.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:17 am 
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One party state?

You mean like the Tory Tories, the Libdem Tories and the labour Tories?

:badgrin:

You don't have to be the brain of britain to understand that party politics is an illusion.

The truth is that there are those who control and those they control.

It doesn't get anymore complicated than that.

Politicians exist to protect the system.

Which is why newly elected zealots very quickly become embroiled in the system, which they readily protect to protect themselves.

It's a gravy train baby :roll:

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One party state?

You mean like the Tory Tories, the Libdem Tories and the labour Tories?

:badgrin:

You don't have to be the brain of britain to understand that party politics is an illusion.

The truth is that there are those who control and those they control.

It doesn't get anymore complicated than that.

Politicians exist to protect the system.

Which is why newly elected zealots very quickly become embroiled in the system, which they readily protect to protect themselves.

It's a gravy train baby :roll:

=D>


Politicians exist to protect themselves

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Now that Westminster has rule out devolving corporation tax or "devo max " I wonder what the 33% of Scottish voters who backed the option are thinking now :?:
Westminster isn’t prepared to give them "devo max ”. Do they say: "OK then, I was only asking. I’ll dae whit I’m telt.” or “Independence it is then.”

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/w ... _1_1954387

I also wonder why Northern Ireland will get corporation tax powers but not Scotland ?


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