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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:22 pm 
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No your right, and the judge Jim refers to never said it either, he bangs on about the judge saying "all she wanted was a taxi home" Jim has manipulated this into the judge saying

She could not get a taxi home because the numbers are restricted so this girl got raped because the council restricts taxi numbers.

Now we all know the difference

The poor girl was raped because this guy was posing as taxi driver, in his car,she got in because he led her to think she was getting into a taxi(she was a visitor to the city ) when all she wanted was a taxi home she got she got raped


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:08 pm 
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really guys. do you read your offering before hitting submit?

The girls in Edinburgh couldn't get a taxi. In parallel to that taxis are restricted, which makes it harder to get one. it doesn't get any more simple than that.

We're putting vulnerable females in extra danger because you guys can't see past your vested interest. that is shameful.

As for the other case, how can you possible say only the rapist was responsible. That's like saying that a council who failed to build flood defences, in the ful and certain knowledge that a flood was possible, and likely, wasn't at fault for the flood.

your wife goes out with girlfriends for the night. She breaks from the group. No cabs to be had. she's attacked. you wouldn't be asking why taxis are restricted, making them artificially harder to hail?

or your daughter?

or your granddaughter?

Now ask yourself why most LAs DON'T restrict taxis?

And then ask your self why Edinburgh DOES?

I'll give you a clue.

CORRUPTION?

Edinburgh's council is morally bankrupt. End of.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:11 pm 
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really guys. do you read your offering before hitting submit?

The girls in Edinburgh couldn't get a taxi. In parallel to that taxis are restricted, which makes it harder to get one. it doesn't get any more simple than that.

We're putting vulnerable females in extra danger because you guys can't see past your vested interest. that is shameful.

As for the other case, how can you possible say only the rapist was responsible. That's like saying that a council who failed to build flood defences, in the ful and certain knowledge that a flood was possible, and likely, wasn't at fault for the flood.

your wife goes out with girlfriends for the night. She breaks from the group. No cabs to be had. she's attacked. you wouldn't be asking why taxis are restricted, making them artificially harder to hail?

or your daughter?

or your granddaughter?

Now ask yourself why most LAs DON'T restrict taxis?

And then ask your self why Edinburgh DOES?

I'll give you a clue.

CORRUPTION?

Edinburgh's council is morally bankrupt. End of.

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Skull, "You are a police inspector, aren't you?"
Cab Inspector Smith, "Yes."
Skull, "So, are you going to tell Mr Taylor what his rights are?"
Smith, "And ... What rights?"


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:17 pm 
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Jim you have to agree that what you are saying about the judge

1. You taking it out of context

2. The reason you are using it is because it hits home hard and is suits your argument

3. He never once stated there was a shortage of taxis that led to her rape

4. I could say it was the fault of lothian buses that my son was attacked waiting on a bus (but that would just be silly)


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Jasbar: Your argument that "de-Restricting" Taxis would have made this unfortunate incident impossible, is fallacious.

In all areas, both Restricted and de-Restricted, when the Clubs come out, there are insufficient vehicles available to service all the customers immediately.

Many Hacks and PHs sit unused on a Saturday night. Their owners too idle, or too rich, or just can't be arsed, to come out. Long may that situation last.

The only way that would possibly solve your example is for the Licensing Authorities to make a Term of a Taxi's Plate continuation, that it be available for business, on the streets, every Saturday Night.

I don't believe that, even you, would demand this condition of Ownership, as those of us that do Trade, late-nights & early-mornings at the weekend, would lose a very considerable part of our weekly income and make the whole business uneconomic for both Owners and Drivers.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:32 am 
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sunset wrote:
Jim you have to agree that what you are saying about the judge

1. You taking it out of context

2. The reason you are using it is because it hits home hard and is suits your argument

3. He never once stated there was a shortage of taxis that led to her rape

4. I could say it was the fault of lothian buses that my son was attacked waiting on a bus (but that would just be silly)


1. There is no out of context when talking about women being harmed. I notice that you failed to address the matter of it having been your wife, daughter etc. So, why don't you just tell us if it was one of them harmed. tell us all how you would still want the restriction.

2. Yes it does hit home hard, and it does suit my argument. And that's why you should be listening, not protecting your own narrow interest. Perhaps it should cause you to think why taxi owners are the only ones in our economy who should be given such special treatment.

3. It was a female judge, not a he. Which proves your myopia, only reading what you want to preserve your greedy interest at others' expense. And she didn't need to say there was a shortage of taxis, because we all know that there is an artificial limit on taxis.

4. This point is fallacious. A ridiculous analogy and you think it justifies your right for special treatment.

I'm sick fed up of the disgusting people like you who seem to think the world owes them a living and would rather people come to unnecessary grief to protect their greed.

Thankfully I'm not a politician. So I have no need to persuade you to any view. De-restriction will happen because even corrupt politicians will have to do it sooner or later. We may well not be influencing their thinking. We don't care.

But I'll tell you this. The next case I become aware of I will be moving heaven and earth for City of Edinburgh Council to be sued over their policy, to be held to account. And I'll be doing everything I can for politicians to be personally held to account for their despicable conduct. After all, we've been banging the drum for long enough. It's not as if they aren't aware of what they're doing.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:43 am 
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wee eddie wrote:
Jasbar: Your argument that "de-Restricting" Taxis would have made this unfortunate incident impossible, is fallacious.

In all areas, both Restricted and de-Restricted, when the Clubs come out, there are insufficient vehicles available to service all the customers immediately.

Many Hacks and PHs sit unused on a Saturday night. Their owners too idle, or too rich, or just can't be arsed, to come out. Long may that situation last.

The only way that would possibly solve your example is for the Licensing Authorities to make a Term of a Taxi's Plate continuation, that it be available for business, on the streets, every Saturday Night.

I don't believe that, even you, would demand this condition of Ownership, as those of us that do Trade, late-nights & early-mornings at the weekend, would lose a very considerable part of our weekly income and make the whole business uneconomic for both Owners and Drivers.


I think you should learn to read, and take time to understand what you do read.

We've never said that de-restriction would solve all the problems of customers having access to a cab. But we've also said that the artificial restriction of cabs does not fit with a council's claim to be doing all it can to ensure public safety. They are making the situation worse than it need be.

I also believe that lifting the restriction on taxis would almost certainly mean that more drivers would be forced to work peak periods, because the work may well be less at other times. In short, lifting the cap would improve service levels at peak periods.

And then, perhaps the trade would be forced to address the problems associated with peak periods. Like why all pubs and clubs close at the same time. Like why we have to deal with drunks and druggies who abuse us. And why, when we are confronted with such bad behaviour, the natural bent of the authorities is to stiff the cabby in the front line.

The truth is that because the trade relishes the resrtiction, the council, the cops and the public all get to treat cabbies like the scum we are.

So, until things change, and de-restriction begins our emancipation, get used to be the serf you are.

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