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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 12:18 pm 
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CARS may be getting safer, but drivers are not. To paraphrase the glorious GLC Cars don't kill people, drivers do.


So if the driver cocks up then the newer car has more chance of saving the occupants - curtain airbags and all that?

A positive, surely?

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Would you care te expand on your definition of "Safe"?


It would be better to let the Kings Lynn report expand on the safety aspect considering it is mentioned three times.

The report strongly supported the concept of quality regulation as a means by which to regulate driver and vehicle safety.

5. Amendment to the existing policy.

The existing policy requires that all new hackney carriage licenses are only
given to vehicles which are fully wheelchair accessible. In order to improve
the quality, safety and environmental impact of the fleet it is proposed that the following policy is adopted.

3. The Office of fair Trading (OFT) Report – November 2003

The OFT published it’s report The Regulation of Licensed Taxi and Private
Hire Vehicle (PHV) Services in the UK in November 2003. The report is
extensive covering a number of different aspects to hackney carriage and
PHV services however the most controversial aspect to the report was it’s
recommendation for the removal of limits on the issue of hackney carriage
plates. The report stated that quantity restriction should be removed as
consumers suffer through:

(i) Reduced availability of hackney carriages
(ii) Increased waiting times
(iii) Reduced choice
(iv) Reduced safety

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Correct me if I am wrong, (and I know you will) but did the report not go on to say, that LA's should not make conditions of licenses, upon deregulation so onorous as to dissuade new entrants to the Taxi trade?And are the Kings Lynn vehicle conditions, in your opinion, onorous enough to dissuade new entrants?


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Can't recall that - I think they merely said that quality controls should be 'proportionate'?

Of course that could mean anything, but as I said at the time, in this regard the whole exercise was a waste of time because the recommendation was effectively meaningless.

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Correct me if I am wrong, (and I know you will) but did the report not go on to say, that LA's should not make conditions of licenses, upon deregulation so onorous as to dissuade new entrants to the Taxi trade?And are the Kings Lynn vehicle conditions, in your opinion, onorous enough to dissuade new entrants?


Are talking about the OFT or Kings Lynn report?

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JD wrote:
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Correct me if I am wrong, (and I know you will) but did the report not go on to say, that LA's should not make conditions of licenses, upon deregulation so onorous as to dissuade new entrants to the Taxi trade?And are the Kings Lynn vehicle conditions, in your opinion, onorous enough to dissuade new entrants?


Are talking about the OFT or Kings Lynn report?

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The OFT report. The authors were concerned that one barrier, plate premiums, would be replaced by other artificial barriers to new entrants.
I will re-read my copy to find it in the next couple of days.


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We discussed that ad nauseum a few weeks ago jimbo, so there's no point in going over it all over again.

But suffice to say, the test might not make for perfect drivers, but it would help surely?


Ad naseum? unlike plate premiums, which hardly get a mention on this site :?: :roll: :roll: :wink:


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Correct me if I am wrong, (and I know you will) but did the report not go on to say, that LA's should not make conditions of licenses, upon deregulation so onorous as to dissuade new entrants to the Taxi trade?And are the Kings Lynn vehicle conditions, in your opinion, onorous enough to dissuade new entrants?


Are talking about the OFT or Kings Lynn report?

JD


The OFT report. The authors were concerned that one barrier, plate premiums, would be replaced by other artificial barriers to new entrants.
I will re-read my copy to find it in the next couple of days.


So if you believe investing in a new vehicle is a barrier and you also believe quantity controls are a barrier, which do you think is the fairer?

I'm pleased you admitted to quantity controls being a barrier thats one point you conceded willingly.

On whether or not I think Kings Lynn's quality control conditions are onerous, I would have to say that given the choice I think any quality control element is fairer than a quantity control element. At least those wishing to enter the trade can do so knowing full well what they are letting themselves in for. If they don't like it they will always have an asset that retains some value that they can either use for their own enjoyment or dispose of for a reasonable price.

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Whilst all this negotiating has been going on between the council and the taxi owners, what's been said about the fares? :shock:

Surely that should have been pretty near the top of the agenda.

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jimbo wrote:
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Correct me if I am wrong, (and I know you will) but did the report not go on to say, that LA's should not make conditions of licenses, upon deregulation so onorous as to dissuade new entrants to the Taxi trade?And are the Kings Lynn vehicle conditions, in your opinion, onorous enough to dissuade new entrants?


Are talking about the OFT or Kings Lynn report?

JD


The OFT report. The authors were concerned that one barrier, plate premiums, would be replaced by other artificial barriers to new entrants.
I will re-read my copy to find it in the next couple of days.


I do not understand JD how you mistake a quote for an admission.

plate premiums are not a barrier, in my opinion. Is that clear enough?


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jimbo wrote:

I do not understand JD how you mistake a quote for an admission.

plate premiums are not a barrier, in my opinion. Is that clear enough?


I thought you would say that, I did notice it was a quote but I thought I would temp you in any case. It was most interesting to read your reply? lol

However Jimbo, I am surprised that you think plate premiums are not a barrier yet you think investing in a new vehicle is a barrier? Is there any logic in that and if so, what is it?

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JD wrote:
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I do not understand JD how you mistake a quote for an admission.

plate premiums are not a barrier, in my opinion. Is that clear enough?


I thought you would say that, I did notice it was a quote but I thought I would temp you in any case. It was most interesting to read your reply? lol

However Jimbo, I am surprised that you think plate premiums are not a barrier yet you think investing in a new vehicle is a barrier? Is there any logic in that and if so, what is it?

JD


And I knew you set a trap, so I gave the answer that you hoped for.

In truth I believe plate premiums are an anachronism, and the sooner that there is a free for all, to the benifit of wonderful people like you and sussex, the (taxi) world will be a so much better place. And Lincoln City FC will get automatic promotion this season, and I am going to win the Euro lottery tonight. :roll: :wink:


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Do you really believe that if every qualified driver took a DSA test, that crashes, speeding, and bad driving would become a thing of the past?

No need to reply, we all know you actually think it would be so.

Well I will reply cos you asked the question.

Of course it wont be a thing of the past, but it will help reduce some of the crazy driving I see daily by licensed PH/taxi drivers.

If a driver knows that if they get X amount of points on their license then their council will make them do the DSA taxi test, then only the stupid will get caught out.

I simply can't understand why the taxi/PH trade should be the only one that doesn't need on-going driver training, and why people in the taxi/PH trade are so against improving standards. :?

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But what about the fares! What do Kings Lynn drivers think about the fares? :-k

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But what about the fares! What do Kings Lynn drivers think about the fares? :-k

Things like fares and standards go out of the window when there's a plate premium to keep. :sad:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:19 pm 
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But what about the fares! What do Kings Lynn drivers think about the fares? :-k

dont know about there but here some of the lads want a 10% rise in fares. :shock:
bit daft really as the council are surveying demand.
but the planks cant work thet out. :?


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