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I have to agree with jimbos points JD. My private car has ABS and I feel no differance when braking from the taxi I drive.


Well I don't feel any difference between the braking in my old car and my present car with ABS, purely because it only comes into play in exceptional circumstances ie only when the driver would lock the wheels in a car without ABS.

I can't really recall locking my wheels for a few years at least, so unless you drive about like a boy racer Ross you are unlikely to notice any difference.

But of course accidents only happen exceptionally, perhaps due to an exceptional event that would result in the locking of the wheels by an average driver, so if ABS can prevent that and perhaps stop an accident or mitigate its effects then it must be a good thing, surely?

Like seat belts and airbags, they're not really relevant to everyday driving, but exceptionally they do come in useful.

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I have to agree with jimbos points JD. My private car has ABS and I feel no differance when braking from the taxi I drive.


The point I was making is not whether ABS is essential but whether the turning circle is essential? In my opinion neither is essential, so why have a condition that is not essential? Perhaps there is more validity in making a case for ABS on safety grounds than there is for making a case for the turning circle on the grounds of convenience. Flexibility of manoeuvrability is an asset and perhaps everyone who has ever driven a vehicle with that capability might agree but I have to say that after having driven one for more years than I care to mention I feel I am well qualified to state that although it is an asset, it is definitely not a necessity.

I've never been able to grasp why some drivers want to stop other drivers from having the choice of driving the vehicle of their preference, rather than someone else's preference. I could understand their argument if they were being restricted in choice but that is not the case. I don't believe anyone has ever suggested they stop driving vehicles with a 25-foot turning circle.

All in all, there is no case for restricting vehicles that don't comply with a rigid turning circle circumference, of any dimension.

I look forward to reading your views on the Buchanan report and why you disagree with it because I found it refreshing.
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Can we take it that Jimbo believes ABS is not a necessity? Then again, no one ever suggested it was. If ABS is not a necessity, then is the turning circle a necessity? If the turning circle is a necessity why is it not mandatory in every licensing authority in the UK?

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I did not bring the turning circle into this thread, but as it is now on the table,


The turning circle was introduced into the debate on or around the fourth post when I asked you "is there a difference between LTI insisting on a turning circle requirement" and the council insisting on ABS? The question was designed to get your opinion on why one should be mandatory and the other shouldn't? I take it now that you believe the Turning Circle is not necessary, that you agree with me anything not necessary should not be mandatory? So why do we have councils insisting on turning circles when turning circles as Edinburgh has concluded are unnecessary?

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LTI insist on a turning circle requirement? Since when?

AS I, and LTI, and the PCO, and some councils who adhere to the PCO standard see it, it is surely the licensing authorities, and not the vehicle builders, who choose to retain the turning circle?

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LTI insist on a turning circle requirement? Since when?


Since LTI took it upon themselves to take legal action against Leicester city council in order to maintain the turning circle condition. That to me is insisting on its retention.

But I knew you would ask this question and that is why I left the statement as it was.

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LTI insist on a turning circle requirement? Since when?


Since LTI took it upon themselves to take legal action against Leicester city council in order to maintain the turning circle condition. That to me is insisting on its retention.

But I knew you would ask this question and that is why I left the statement as it was.

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And I knew that you were expecting me to reply. But did you know that I knew that you knew that I knew that you knew that? Or did you think that I don't know what you are alluding to?

Of course, my view, as always, regarding the licensing of vehicles, is that councils know best. My council disregard the turning circle in licensing vehicles. Good for them, I say, before you do.

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I have to agree with jimbos points JD. My private car has ABS and I feel no differance when braking from the taxi I drive.



The point I was making is not whether ABS is essential but whether the turning circle is essential? In my opinion neither is essential, so why have a condition that is not essential? Perhaps there is more validity in making a case for ABS on safety grounds than there is for making a case for the turning circle on the grounds of convenience. Flexibility of manoeuvrability is an asset and perhaps everyone who has ever driven a vehicle with that capability might agree but I have to say that after having driven one for more years than I care to mention I feel I am well qualified to state that although it is an asset, it is definitely not a necessity.

I've never been able to grasp why some drivers want to stop other drivers from having the choice of driving the vehicle of their preference, rather than someone else's preference. I could understand their argument if they were being restricted in choice but that is not the case. I don't believe anyone has ever suggested they stop driving vehicles with a 25-foot turning circle.


JD, If we where honest here it really has nothing to do with turning circle, ABS or choice, its all about price. If the current tx's and metro's were priced at £16,000 brand new, we wouldn't be having this arguement.
I still remember the promise that the metrocab would be a lot cheaper than the then fx4. Didn't last long did it.
I read this week that the mercedes taxi comes in at £26.000 on the road.
The owner of the taxi I drive bought a brand new TX in April, Automatic, for £26,000. So how long before the likes of the E7 match that price.

JD, If they brought out a mercedes taxi with the turning circle tomorrow. it would take over from the TX'S and Metro's in no time. The turning circle being the major selling point.

as to the Buchanan report, We will try this one for starters.
How can you conduct a survey on an illegal rank ?


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How can you conduct a survey on an illegal rank ?

I suppose it depends on what they are surveying for. :wink:

If it's about the 'turning circle', then the illegal rank is no different from anywhere else on the high street when asessing the pro's and con's.

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Have they decided yet?????


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