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Someone mention my name. :roll:


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I preusme you've been reading Mr TurnBULL's posts then


I assume Mr Turnbull spells "presume" a little different than yourself?

It has always been my observation that Mr Turnbull speaks with a clarity that far exceeds anything that emanates from your somewhat disjointed keyboard? After all Mr Turnbull can lay claim to putting one of Scotland’s finest advocates to the sword which is more than can be said of you? lol

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The mis-spelling was deliberate but thank you for rising to the bait :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As for your other comments - I'm sure the advocate saw it slightly differently and still charged full price :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

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The new Edinburgh site is like trying to read a plate of Alphabet soup.

Hi-Ho silver away! now John are you ready to start acting like a responsible adult on these forums or what, are you still locked into that PC rubbish and moralistic nonsense that you use as a weapon against those who challenge you?


You have the floor Stu, challenge away, I promise to use nothing more than fact to combat your anticipated fiction.

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I always found your penchant for stories featuring anything to do with female underwear a little quirky


You find female lingerie quirky? I suppose if you wear it as often as you do, I can understand why? However some of us men find it quite appealing but only when worn by the opposite sex. I see you haven't lost your appetite for a little "titillation", I suspect you are being starved of your daily diet of sex in the City by the boys up North? I'll pass the word around that you’re available for a bit on the side but I wouldn't hold my breath because the boys down here are used to dealing right out of the top drawer.

I hear on the grapevine we have a few beefy boys from Greenock signing up in the next few days so you might yet get a bite of the Golden Rivet but only if you play your cards right? lol

I await your contribution with anticipation, as do we all, but this time, please make it coherent.

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Get over it John, is that really the best you can do, the you are gay,transvestite, sex offender kind of nonsense that the lower orders find so exciting, or is that inciting?

Anyhow it's very childish, possibly a result of emotional insecurity about your own sexual orientation,or some form of religious oppression! I have none of your insecurities, so it doesn't really concern me, I'm also in posession of some intelligence, you could credit me with that, if it makes you happy carry on though.

How childish you lot have become, I think TLR stated that he found the "stories" that you had a penchant for a little quirky, at no point in the post did he suggest you or Stu actually wore womens underwear, looks like you are reading to much into an innocent post or lack the intellect to assimilate the information before you. :lol:


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I note a word was edited to appear as "hairy" whats that all about?

the word T R A N S V E S T I T E gets changed to hairy, hahaha were you getting worried?


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Maybe no one here challenges Jimbob's views but that doesn't make your statement correct.

Maybe so, but if I disagreed with what someone was banging on about I would do my best to put across a coherent case against it.

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Posters are well aware of the abuse that will come from the unholy trinity from Scotland and the support of the TDO triple alliance supporters club :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm pretty sure the situation wouldn't be as it is if an agreement was made a few years ago. :wink:


"if I disagreed with what someone was banging on about I would do my best to put across a coherent case against it. "

Sorry Sussex - seen that tried before and when Taylor and Thomson were asked to explain or justify their comments, and they wouldn't or couldn't then the personal attacks started. Even you must acknowledge the depths they are capable of sinking to and your silence on the matter when they do stoop so low speaks volumes :roll: :roll: :roll:

of course, you! wouldnt know about stooping low yourself would you mr holyer than thou,christ if you lot stooped any lower you'll be doing the limbo on you're chins ffs


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Nobody is stooping that low really Ali, we lost the forum what do you expect, I spent a lot of time on that forum but found to my cost that you are not allowed an opinion really, in fact you are treated like a piece of crap if you do have one and ignored for all time if you transgress the rules, I just wanted to test JD and it worked, that's enough now though.

You passed by the way JD :wink:


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Nobody is stooping that low really Ali, we lost the forum what do you expect, I spent a lot of time on that forum but found to my cost that you are not allowed an opinion really, in fact you are treated like a piece of crap if you do have one and ignored for all time if you transgress the rules, I just wanted to test JD and it worked, that's enough now though.

You passed by the way JD :wink:

you never lost anything if those were the conditions that you were expected to post under,and i agree fasties was like that.
anyway imo and from what ive found out,the new forum is the old forum,which we all knew really,still ran by alan sadrags.
prove me wrong alan.


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Sorry Sussex - seen that tried before and when Taylor and Thomson were asked to explain or justify their comments, and they wouldn't or couldn't then the personal attacks started.

What I do remember well is listening to the radio show, and the folks sounding sensible and coherent were Mr Taylor and Mr Skull.

The ones who weren't coming across well were those defending quotas.

That is apart from some really strange woman. :shock:

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ALI T wrote:
from what ive found out,the new forum is the old forum,which we all knew really,still ran by alan sadrags.
prove me wrong alan.
Should be easy enough. Just post something (within the normal rules of any forum) that you know he won't like and see if it gets deleted. :wink:

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Has Jasbar left the country or is he still thinking about an answer to the question i asked


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Sussex wrote:

That is apart from some really strange woman. :shock:
I wonder where the saddo thought his/her name up from :lol: :lol:

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Sussex wrote:
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Sorry Sussex - seen that tried before and when Taylor and Thomson were asked to explain or justify their comments, and they wouldn't or couldn't then the personal attacks started.

What I do remember well is listening to the radio show, and the folks sounding sensible and coherent were Mr Taylor and Mr Skull.

The ones who weren't coming across well were those defending quotas.

That is apart from some really strange woman. :shock:


Like the vast majority of people in Talk 107's area (90.1% at the last count) I wasn't listening :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

As for Taylor sounding sensible and coherent - well I'll admit he can come across that way initially - but eventually most people see through the Damascus moments etc to see him for the bitter marginalised loner he actually is.

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Has Jasbar left the country or is he still thinking about an answer to the question i asked

I very much doubt he has considered either you or your question. :?

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The outcome of the committee meeting was predictable. The report commissioned by the two Edinburgh Taxi companies contained nothing more than outdated recycled misinformation which could have been copied from any previous offering in respect of similar reports aimed at restricting numbers by any one of the current crop of Taxi Trade organisations such as the Vested interest NTA or TGWU. Quite frankly I was amazed at the poor quality of the report. Having said that those who commissioned the report were no doubt aware as were the rest of us, that it wouldn't be needed because the decision was a foregone conclusion.

However, we shall see what transpires?

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Yes JD, the outcome was predictable, as was evidenced by the title of Inch's report "The implications of retaining the policy of restriction".

Inch did recycle most the information his report contained. And included a lot of material which, with the best will in the world, most councillors wouldn't have bothered to take the time to read.

However, I have read receipts from a number of councillors who received my refultal of the radio companies deputation BEFORE the meeting, albeit only a short time before.

And I venture that nothing in that refutation was properly drawn to the attention of councillors making the decision.

So, I suspect they paid no attention to the continued existence of the interested parties list which the council can't go to in isolation. Nor the current applications. Nor the impending appeals. Nor the licence applications which will be fothcoming. Nor the poor quality of the the demand surveys with the missing demand indicators. Nor the conflict of interest bewteen the council's ownership of buses, taxbuses and trams, while restricting the competition it has with taxis - aided and abetted by three of the last four RC conveners having bus or private hire interests. Nor the tension between the right to a fair hearing when your licence is being considered and the prejudice placed on the process by a policy which is designed to deny you the licence from the outset, even from the text of the letter initially acknowledging the application.

The key to section 10 (3) is that councillors may refuse the application "if, and only if, it is satisfied there is no significant unmet demand for taxis services in the area".

What this council forgets, and what Jim Inch failed to mention in his report, is that it is not incumbent for applicants to prove that such a demand exists, only to prove that the council couldn't possibly be satisfied that they know for certain that there is currently no significant unmet demand.

No taxis for six years. A burgeoning economy. The increase in all other transport groups. The increase in private hire. The introduction of taxi marshalls to manage demand which the council tells us doesn't exist.

The updated writ will be somewhat different from the previous one. It is designed to ensure that the matter is fully rehearsed before a Sheriff.

The next stage will involve the council, its restriction policy and the way it conducts itself in defence of that policy going on trial. Wanna bet there is no way that Jim Inch ventured this little gem to councillors verbally at the full council meeting when councillors backed his plan?

As such, Inch is now perillously close to a vulnerable position. By not disclosing the full story, he may just have put his own neck in the noose.

As for us. We're quite relaxed. We knew the council intended to deny a second time. A point I would have made personally to the Sheriff at the time. We could have appealed the decision, but we're in a stronger position now, because the council has disadvantaged itself before the court. But, here's the laugh, and the rock on which they are floundering.

At the meeting there was a debate about the terms of 10 (3). Millar reckoned it was incumbent on applicants to refute the council's demand information.

(Note we had already done so with the Jacobs critique and various points showing how the interim survey, the stakeholders survey and the taxi company figures were flawed, but the council feels entitled to reject such information because it didn't come from their interpretation of an "expert")

Anyway I disputed this and suggested Millar read out the section from the Act. Millar jumped up, made towards Susan Clark, who was already up in motion a copy of the Act in her hand and moving towards Millar, she thrust it into his hands and he sat back down andprepared to read. Lo and behold, he could not twist the words in the section to possibly elucidate that the section stipulated that it was incumbent on applicants to refute the council's information. He looked a complete pratt. However, undeterred he announced that he would need to take legal advice and the meeting was deferred (Who?).

When it reconvened, Keir asked if we had any evidence to refute the council's information, ignoring what we had said, then subsequently refused the applications.

Now, this was clearly part of the original strategy to bring the licence back before the committee. While the council clearly felt they had every legal justification to deny on their premise, I can't wait to see what a Sheriff makes of this. Perhaps JD could give us an opinion.

The short of it is, the council, Jim Inch responsible, is digging an ever bigger hole for itself. I believe it's one it can already not climb out of.


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It's amazing how you reach ridiculous conclusions.
To put it simply for you Jim, The Council, whether you like it or not have evidence that shows there is no "Significant unmet demand." They believe there is no significant unmet demand, the taxi trade knows there is no significant unmet demand. Only you seen to have a problem with this.

The decision was made because you had not produced any evidence to show that the information held and accepted by the council was wrong. Your soliloquy was rejected as it failed to produce any evidence of significant unmet demand. You were not required to show unmet demand and failed. You were required to prove the council information wrong and you failed.
Maybe if you stopped writing long-winded bullshit and concentrated on producing straightforward clear facts, you might make some sense.

Of course there are taxi queues at times. Show me an area where there are none at peak times. Transport marshals were introduced to reduce problems such as queue-jumping and violence at taxi ranks and to make them safe for people wanting to wait for a taxi in the city centre rather than walking outwards - demand had nothing to do with their introduction.


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