Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Tue May 05, 2026 2:50 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 133 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 9  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:25 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
Private Reggie wrote:
1,300 licences in Edinburgh

400 extra is a bit heavy but any increase would have an effect on the PHC market, the New York system could wipe the significance of the PHC right out of Edinburgh


The figure I mention is the likely outcome of delimitation, as stated its based on 1/3rd.......other areas have experienced significantly more.

CC

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:39 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:38 pm
Posts: 1975
Location: Edinburgh
captain cab wrote:
Ali T is a case in point, he basically won the lottery when he was granted a license, the LA get nothing and the plate is sold to someone, probably a fellow driver who faces the investment being flushed down the toilet by the constant pushing of the wannaplates.

If a council were to sell a limited number per year, in accordance with a demand survey, with a prerequisite that the applicant must be a existing licensed driver and the vehicle licensed must be under two years old on first license it virtually guarantees the drivers investment is sound.

The following question was posed on the taxi forum;

Where is the advantage for some young guy wanting to operate his own taxis? I dont see it.

I dont think the person asking this question was entirely serious.

If the young guy mentioned in the question currently wants to obtain a Edinburgh plate, he would pay someone anyway, so what's the difference between an existing licensee getting the money or a council?

Maybe we should ask what the non plate owning drivers think of your suggestion?

The above question is also asked.

Perhaps we should, perhaps we should ask those same drivers if they think its right that someone who got something for nothing should sell that on for £30 to £50 K? Whilst still telling all and sundry that they are doing all in there power to ensure the £30 to £50K they've spent should be nothing.

CC

Agree 100%

The guy that posed those questions sold for 40k, he regrets it but still sold, the thing is CC we in Edinburgh have had the system and plate value's for years, there is no going back, we need stability, we need to look at other way's other than de-restriction to restrict numbers, CEC only have 2 options, de-restrict and open the door to infiltrators, profiteers and abusers of the allocation system OR go the whole hog and expand the current system to the new york medallion system as another way to control numbers

It's a no brainer to me

_________________
Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:43 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:38 pm
Posts: 1975
Location: Edinburgh
captain cab wrote:
Private Reggie wrote:
1,300 licences in Edinburgh

400 extra is a bit heavy but any increase would have an effect on the PHC market, the New York system could wipe the significance of the PHC right out of Edinburgh


The figure I mention is the likely outcome of delimitation, as stated its based on 1/3rd.......other areas have experienced significantly more.

CC

Accepted but really just tongue and cheek response from me :P

Any rise within Edinburgh if they adopt the New York System would though seriously damage PHC, CITY and CENTRAL would become too strong for the opposition, a kind of getting the merger in the guise of 2 company's

Edinburgh's limited market proves this

_________________
Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 4:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
Private Reggie wrote:
Agree 100%

The guy that posed those questions sold for 40k, he regrets it but still sold, the thing is CC we in Edinburgh have had the system and plate value's for years, there is no going back, we need stability, we need to look at other way's other than de-restriction to restrict numbers, CEC only have 2 options, de-restrict and open the door to infiltrators, profiteers and abusers of the allocation system OR go the whole hog and expand the current system to the new york medallion system as another way to control numbers

It's a no brainer to me


The thing is, the mooted figure of £30K is for plate allocations, businesses could still be sold, and would be sold for more theat the £30K base because the £30K is on the basis of a 2 year old vehicle being presented......which makes the investment sigificantly more.

It also gives councils a far more business like approach to the taxi trade, fare increases, cab ranks etc would all be treated far more seriously if a council knew it may have an adverse affect.

As I stated for the likes of Frank Lay who raised the question. What is the difference between paying an existing owner £40K and a council £30K? To me there appears to be no difference.

CC

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:54 am
Posts: 2372
Location: edinburgh
ok just so you know this is just theoretical

the problem you have dougie and something that youve failed to mention is that you still want it restricted

you want the cec to charge the market rate for a license

but you want them to conduct surveys of demand before putting on plates

I'm afraid that is totally flawed thinking

if it ever came to fruition and the L.A got such powers granted to them

then the L.A would give any one a plate who had 30k in their pocket.
the market value would be what they dictated it to be ,and what the economics of running and buying a license would be to anyone wanting to buy.

if you think differently then you have a very niave view of the world of politics


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:54 am
Posts: 2372
Location: edinburgh
i think I've just realized how stupid cc and Dougie are :shock:

you think of the trade as a business,an investment.

its not! its a job.period

you have a vehicle and the skill set required to do the job at hand.

and thats all it is :wink:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
ALI T wrote:
ok just so you know this is just theoretical

the problem you have dougie and something that youve failed to mention is that you still want it restricted

you want the cec to charge the market rate for a license

but you want them to conduct surveys of demand before putting on plates

I'm afraid that is totally flawed thinking

if it ever came to fruition and the L.A got such powers granted to them

then the L.A would give any one a plate who had 30k in their pocket.
the market value would be what they dictated it to be ,and what the economics of running and buying a license would be to anyone wanting to buy.

if you think differently then you have a very niave view of the world of politics


I dont see the naivety, giving away a free license to someone when they know that license will be sold in due course for £30K plus is naive.

The survey would assure the council of demand and the would issue / sell licenses in accordance, the survey would also take account of plate values.

CC

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
ALI T wrote:
i think I've just realized how stupid cc and Dougie are :shock:

you think of the trade as a business,an investment.

its not! its a job.period

you have a vehicle and the skill set required to do the job at hand.

and thats all it is :wink:


Yes and all those plates you and Jackie have sold are obviously jobs :lol:

CC

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:54 am
Posts: 2372
Location: edinburgh
then why on earth would they bother getting the powers if they get nothing out of it.


if they got the power they would be doing it to make money simple as that.
you then believe they would impose a self limitation on how much money they could make :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D

what a load of utter nonsense.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:26 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
ALI T wrote:
then why on earth would they bother getting the powers if they get nothing out of it.


if they got the power they would be doing it to make money simple as that.
you then believe they would impose a self limitation on how much money they could make :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D

what a load of utter nonsense.


maybe......but I think they should consider the idea, its got to be better than the current system.

CC

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:29 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
ALI T wrote:
then why on earth would they bother getting the powers if they get nothing out of it.


if they got the power they would be doing it to make money simple as that.
you then believe they would impose a self limitation on how much money they could make :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D

what a load of utter nonsense.


They would get £30K for each license they issue by order of a survey, or whatever the survey states is a plate value.

If they didnt limit licenses there would be no plate value, thats what the delimiters say isnt it?

CC

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:54 am
Posts: 2372
Location: edinburgh
captain cab wrote:
ALI T wrote:
i think I've just realized how stupid cc and Dougie are :shock:

you think of the trade as a business,an investment.

its not! its a job.period

you have a vehicle and the skill set required to do the job at hand.

and thats all it is :wink:


Yes and all those plates you and Jackie have sold are obviously jobs :lol:

CC

its basic fundamentals of our system
the government ain't their to make profit

i dont think you or Dougie realize just how much you are asking to be changed
and all for the fear and greed of a few desperate individuals.

somehow i doubt it but do carry on its amusing to say the least


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
ALI T wrote:
its basic fundamentals of our system
the government ain't their to make profit

i dont think you or Dougie realize just how much you are asking to be changed
and all for the fear and greed of a few desperate individuals.

somehow i doubt it but do carry on its amusing to say the least


Is it that much against our fundamentals?

You really need to check up on some old case-law, its merely a matter of pure fluke that this type of system isn't here already.

You read the outcry in Southampton, what if similar outcry was made in Scotland, a country in its own right.

Do you think Edinburgh council and the Scottish government wouldn't see the benefit of raising money in this manner?

Do you think the Scottish government or indeed English Tory government wouldn't be interested in seeing the burdens of council tax payers much reduced?

You fail to realise that the cab driver in Edinburgh already pays thousands to become cab owners, what is the difference between giving this money to you and Jackie or directly to the council.

I suggest the Scots Government and local authorities would be very willing to look into anything they can to raise cash locally.

As for the case for allowing this to happen, a chilkd could come up with let a council sell a taxi license.......allow a care home to stay open.

CC

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:54 am
Posts: 2372
Location: edinburgh
captain cab wrote:
ALI T wrote:
then why on earth would they bother getting the powers if they get nothing out of it.


if they got the power they would be doing it to make money simple as that.
you then believe they would impose a self limitation on how much money they could make :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D

what a load of utter nonsense.


They would get £30K for each license they issue by order of a survey, or whatever the survey states is a plate value.

If they didnt limit licenses there would be no plate value, thats what the delimiters say isnt it?

CC

no way

the price of the license is the only limiting factor.

no one would apply if they cant make any money out of it.

you should try letting people make money rather than spending it.

and that goes for the whole economic system in this country.
you should take a look at the likes of hong Kong

one of the freest economies in the world.
and the man on the street isn't taxed to death.
and yet you could eat your tea of the streets.

restriction is bad for growth as a country and as individuals.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:54 am
Posts: 2372
Location: edinburgh
and who's jackie :?:


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 133 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 9  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 658 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group