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What would happen if the Tootsmobile was deemed surplus to requirements under your PH proposal?


It looks like I'd be doing more hours in one of my other 2 jobs or alternatively I could go out and get my own work :wink:


But that would just take work off the other ops and drivers, thus defeating the purpose of the whole thing .


It's not about whether I take work from other operators it's about operators taking money from drivers for work they don't have


You allude to the fact that there isn't enough work among all the PH offices to go around all the cars they collectively have on their circuits.

Should your suggestion come to pass, what happens to the surplus drivers?


The only thing I allude to is the fact that operator companies are taking money from drivers for work they do not have. That's not to say the work isn't there but they may have to get off their lazy fat ar$es and go and get it if what I suggest came to pass, otherwise they may have to settle for a lower quota of drivers to line their pockets. It may also encourage drivers to perhaps have a go on their own and build up small companies rather than rely on large companies that don't do their job properly to get them work. I've never suggested it'll fix everything or anything for that matter it's just something to mull over. From that idea a better idea may evolve, who knows


Where does this work come from?
If it's simply taking work off another circuit, wouldn't it just move the problem from one circuit to another?
Not more work, just spreading what there is around differently?

To improve the overall situation, new work must be generated.
People who otherwise would not be phoning any PH company for a lift.
Bus users or those who drive themselves/get lifts from friends or family etc

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You allude to the fact that there isn't enough work among all the PH offices to go around all the cars they collectively have on their circuits.

Should your suggestion come to pass, what happens to the surplus drivers?


Well they're forced into the smaller fleet of vehicles, which are rented out for inflated sums.

Doesn't make any differnce to the amount of work available per driver, but it means the owners of the smaller group of vehicles can profiteer.

Now what does that remind me of? :-k

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To improve the overall situation, new work must be generated.


That's it, generate new work. The large companies don't seem interested in generating new work, they're happy because they have the income whether there is new work or not. If this came to pass they would at least be forced to try and find new work for their drivers if need be

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You allude to the fact that there isn't enough work among all the PH offices to go around all the cars they collectively have on their circuits.

Should your suggestion come to pass, what happens to the surplus drivers?


Well they're forced into the smaller fleet of vehicles, which are rented out for inflated sums.

Doesn't make any differnce to the amount of work available per driver, but it means the owners of the smaller group of vehicles can profiteer.

Now what does that remind me of? :-k


Why on earth would you rent a PHV unless you wanted to, you certainly don't need to :roll: Sometimes I think you get confused between profiteering and making a profit. There is no shame in making a profit if you work for it and don't scam people to do it. You have to be a little more positive and look outside the box, there is work out there they just need to get off their backsides and go and get it, that's what the drivers pay them for.

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Get a grip restriction works wether you like it or not,i suspect by your constant whining that your a teeny bit jelous,but i suppose your just doing it for the good of your fellow cabbies... yea right


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You allude to the fact that there isn't enough work among all the PH offices to go around all the cars they collectively have on their circuits.

Should your suggestion come to pass, what happens to the surplus drivers?


Well they're forced into the smaller fleet of vehicles, which are rented out for inflated sums.

Doesn't make any differnce to the amount of work available per driver, but it means the owners of the smaller group of vehicles can profiteer.

Now what does that remind me of? :-k


Why on earth would you rent a PHV unless you wanted to, you certainly don't need to :roll: Sometimes I think you get confused between profiteering and making a profit. There is no shame in making a profit if you work for it and don't scam people to do it. You have to be a little more positive and look outside the box, there is work out there they just need to get off their backsides and go and get it, that's what the drivers pay them for.


Perhaps you should read the above again Toots and get a handle on the the circumstances surrounding the rental and thus why it's profiteering.

As for gettng more work, the problem is that if one office gets more work then it comes from the others, thus again it's just rearranging the deckchairs rather than anything more fundamental.

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Get a grip restriction works wether you like it or not,i suspect by your constant whining that your a teeny bit jelous,but i suppose your just doing it for the good of your fellow cabbies... yea right


Yes, I suppose you just charge inflating rentals for your shed and sell the plate when you've had enough for the good of your fellow cabbies.

Aye, right :lol:

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Get a grip restriction works wether you like it or not,i suspect by your constant whining that your a teeny bit jelous,but i suppose your just doing it for the good of your fellow cabbies... yea right


Yes, I suppose you just charge inflating rentals for your shed and sell the plate when you've had enough for the good of your fellow cabbies.

Aye, right :lol:[/quote

Ok first things first,i dont charge inflated rentals and dont drive a shed,you know nothing about me and nothing about the trade here.Your clutching at straws here in your failing arguments.Its a buisness that works .


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Get a grip restriction works wether you like it or not,i suspect by your constant whining that your a teeny bit jelous,but i suppose your just doing it for the good of your fellow cabbies... yea right


Yes, I suppose you just charge inflating rentals for your shed and sell the plate when you've had enough for the good of your fellow cabbies.

Aye, right :lol:[/quote

Ok first things first,i dont charge inflated rentals and dont drive a shed,you know nothing about me and nothing about the trade here.Your clutching at straws here in your failing arguments.Its a buisness that works .
They don't like you referring to taxing as a business... that frightens them.. the realisation that they might be held accountable for their actions.... they do not have what it takes to compete on a level footing in the real world... so they wish to bring everyone down to their level..... a bit like 10 families at present costing the taxpayer £1 million a year in benefits..... but who contributes towards the cost...... in the real world.

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Its nice that someone sees the bigger picture :wink:


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Its nice that someone sees the bigger picture :wink:
:wink: whoever he is... I bet... he's either on a grant or salary....but knows what's best for the self employed.... is my old mate Trevor Bowler still keeping well.

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You allude to the fact that there isn't enough work among all the PH offices to go around all the cars they collectively have on their circuits.

Should your suggestion come to pass, what happens to the surplus drivers?


Well they're forced into the smaller fleet of vehicles, which are rented out for inflated sums.

Doesn't make any differnce to the amount of work available per driver, but it means the owners of the smaller group of vehicles can profiteer.

Now what does that remind me of? :-k


Why on earth would you rent a PHV unless you wanted to, you certainly don't need to :roll: Sometimes I think you get confused between profiteering and making a profit. There is no shame in making a profit if you work for it and don't scam people to do it. You have to be a little more positive and look outside the box, there is work out there they just need to get off their backsides and go and get it, that's what the drivers pay them for.


Yup, but this profit is only possible, ONLY possible, because you deny the same right to others.

No other market sector operates in this discriminatory way.

And when rental is necessitated in order to work, in order to gain access to the tools of your trade there is NO CHOICE.

Now Toots, explain to us all why only a select few should be allowed the opportunity to make this profit?


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Caledonian Cabbie wrote:
gusmac wrote:
You allude to the fact that there isn't enough work among all the PH offices to go around all the cars they collectively have on their circuits.

Should your suggestion come to pass, what happens to the surplus drivers?


Well they're forced into the smaller fleet of vehicles, which are rented out for inflated sums.

Doesn't make any differnce to the amount of work available per driver, but it means the owners of the smaller group of vehicles can profiteer.

Now what does that remind me of? :-k

Profiteering is not illegal, it's a circumstance of restriction, restriction is fair in area's with a limited market , what makes restriction work is regular survey's of demand, if there is a demand the selection process doesn't discriminate on who gets a plate and who doesn't, plate holders is random not selective to a few, so really profiteering in the way you indicate is not happening, what we have in Edinburgh is a restricted market that acts fairly and without discrimination, what works here in Edinburgh might work differently in other area's depending on CIRCUMSTANCE :wink:

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Its nice that someone sees the bigger picture :wink:
:wink: whoever he is... I bet... he's either on a grant or salary....but knows what's best for the self employed.... is my old mate Trevor Bowler still keeping well.


Trevor is ok, not in the best of health,hes retired now gave up last year so hopefully taking it easy


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