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Without these conditions you would have private hire ilegally plying for hire and not working for any private hire operator.

So this new 'name of operator on badge' rule has led to the ending of illegal pick ups in Leeds? :?


It's not a new rule having the operators name on the badge, it's has been happening as long as I can remember and no it doesn't stop illegal plying for hire just like a 30 mph speed limit sign doesn't stop you doing 35 or 40 mph.

The council can put conditions on a licence which are passed through their legal department. If you don't like the conditions attached to the licences in Leeds you have two options.

1. Challenge the council.
2. Don't apply for a licence


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And lets not forget every private hire driver parked up in the city are not plying for hire some have bookings and drivers plying for hire are also taking other private hire company's jobs as well there not just taking work of hackneys. But you will soon realise that to listen to some people and they think its just a hackney v private hire and that's not the truth of it.also lets remember some hackneys aren't all angels and light. I've struggled loads of times to even get down some roads in Leeds city because of hackneys parked illegally blocking roads on the leed up to rank and the excuse being there's not enough ranks it still is illegal parking.

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Which operator in their right mind would want you working for another competitor.



One of the rules for being self employed is the ability to work for multiple people at the same time.

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And no wonder there's a problem if people actually really believe measures like having operator numbers on licences stop plying hire.like i say if they don't have job on there data for that pickup place there plying. Job done

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Which operator in their right mind would want you working for another competitor.

I couldn't give a f*** what operators want, my sole concern is the legal duty councils have, and they have no legal right to insist operator's name go on driver's badges.

The council is in collusion with operators and that is a shameful situation that has no place in a free and open society.

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APH wrote:
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Without these conditions you would have private hire ilegally plying for hire and not working for any private hire operator.

So this new 'name of operator on badge' rule has led to the ending of illegal pick ups in Leeds? :?


It's not a new rule having the operators name on the badge, it's has been happening as long as I can remember and no it doesn't stop illegal plying for hire just like a 30 mph speed limit sign doesn't stop you doing 35 or 40 mph.

The council can put conditions on a licence which are passed through their legal department. If you don't like the conditions attached to the licences in Leeds you have two options.

1. Challenge the council.
2. Don't apply for a licence


The sad part of all this is that yes, the council should be challenged...but who by? With no organised association its left to pot-less drivers to fund any legal challenge...it rarely happens!

This is one of the reasons that Licensing Offices push so many "suspect" hairbrained conditions verging to illegal with little regard for the individuals human rights in the Taxi trade.

It pushes drivers with backs to the wall into costly situations that could easily have been nipped in the bud by any half decent association at the beginning.

Justice for those that can afford it!


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Why does it have to be costly? Just ask the council to show the legislation to back up this condition.

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Sussex wrote:
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Which operator in their right mind would want you working for another competitor.

I couldn't give a f*** what operators want, my sole concern is the legal duty councils have, and they have no legal right to insist operator's name go on driver's badges.

The council is in collusion with operators and that is a shameful situation that has no place in a free and open society.


Option 1 for you then


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If a driver can only work for one operator then he cannot be self employed by the rules laid down by HMRC.
Exactly! The self employment is just a scam to evade tax, NI, minimum wage, holiday and sick pay etc.
and a council are aiding and abetting this scam.

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If a driver falls out with the company he is registered with, what is to stop that company "delaying" writing the letter to the council thus stopping the driver working for anyone else?

Or claiming he owes money, when he does not?
Thus depriving the driver of a living and the competition of a driver.

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Did someone say this applies to HC drivers as well?

I was under the impression that conditions could not be applied to an HC licence? Bye-laws are needed?

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I think the problem being that the council are used to decent pay and conditions especially as you climb the ranks if you have been to vehicle licensing you can watch the speed people work its a joke sometimes they just don't live in the same world why would you remove another year of how long you can use a vehicle while putting both badge and vehicle renewals up 20 quid each they see the bosses driving big cars

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If a private hire worked for multiple private hire companies then how would the customer know which company they were from or would you expect them to display 2 or 3 different company names.



So how do the customers know in other areas where there are no such rules?

And have Leeds said specifically that a driver can't work for more than one operator, because after all it's not unusual elsewhere for drivers to do their own work with their own op's licence but to normally work for a bigger operation (same with HCs, except of course there's no op's licence required).


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Sussex wrote:
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If a private hire worked for multiple private hire companies then how would the customer know which company they were from or would you expect them to display 2 or 3 different company names.

The driver would call out the customers name and know their destination.

I think that often happens. :roll: :roll: :roll:


Exactly. Most owner-driver private hire cars in London, are unsigned anyway.

I sub-contract for more than one private hire firm, and when greeting the customer, I tell them which company I'm from (being sure to mention the right one, as often I can be doing jobs for more than one firm throughout the day) and I will know their name/company and where they're going.

I'm not sure how other drivers feel about having to cover their (personal) car with the firm's signs but I'm not going to work for a company which requires me to have their signs all over my car, driving around as a mobile advert for them, and damaging my paintwork.

It's different if driving a car supplied by a company, but then you can probably only do jobs for that company in their car (e.g. Addison Lee), and if you have to do set hours, then you should be fully employed.


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