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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:34 pm 
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If you want to regulate PH fares then make them taxis - somehow I don't think that will make you popular.

Private Hire is exactly that - a private hiring.

I have always believed the price charged should be advised before hand by the PH operator - the contract is with the Operator and not the driver.

Additionally, the PH driver should be employed by the PH Operator - unless of course the driver has a operators license themselves - this would cut PH numbers overnight - yet I know f*ck all me......I've only been banging on about it forever - largely ignored by the taxi trade - who would rather take uber to court - with other PH operators, over a taximeter issue - when the London law basically makes that the responsibility of the PHV owner FFS

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 5:36 pm 
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Surging should be banned, simple =D> =D> =D>

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:05 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
Surging should be banned, simple =D> =D> =D>


So are you happy for taxis to have one flat rate or don't you think it's like surging when you charge one price at one time of day and another at another time of day? That's before you add another price if it goes out of area and to top it off the ability to charge what you like to go out of area so long as the customer agrees :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:19 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
Would you agree that the Uber surging strategy discriminates between affordable and unaffordable,

To a degree yes, but the same could be said about hotels, planes, trains, holidays, and many other things.

Supply and demand pricing isn't unique to Uber.

Late night and holiday tariffs have been in the trade for over 100 years, is that not a variation of surge prices, as is the numpties in our trade charging fortunes to go out of town.

However I have no problem with drivers earning more, and I'm surprised many in the trade do.

When it's busy people will pay extra to get a cab quickly, frankly I'm surprised it's taken Uber to come along for others in the trade to work that out.

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:21 pm 
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So this is acceptable Toots :roll:

http://www.itproportal.com/2015/08/24/u ... customers/

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:41 pm 
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Another example of the extreme, the Uber extreme, do we really want to accept this in to OUR market place :shock:

http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-new ... 014-1?IR=T

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:51 pm 
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That's not surge pricing is it, that's an error and so long as they fix it as soon as they are aware of it for all customers and not just the ones that notice it I have no problem with it. I don't particularly like surge pricing as uber use it, but, it's up to them how they price their service and up to customers if they use their service. I don't think leaving an area should increase the price of a trip but I do think that price increases are acceptable to encourage drivers to work anti social hours and bank holidays.

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 6:57 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
Another example of the extreme, the Uber extreme, do we really want to accept this in to OUR market place :shock:

http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-new ... 014-1?IR=T


Forewarned and the customers still use it ffs. I have no desire to nanny customers that can't be bothered shopping around and pre booking their ride home.

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:30 pm 
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When it's busy people will pay extra to get a cab quickly, frankly I'm surprised it's taken Uber to come along for others in the trade to work that out.


the taxi trade has known it for years - it just chooses to call it something else

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:43 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
If you want to regulate PH fares then make them taxis - somehow I don't think that will make you popular.

Private Hire is exactly that - a private hiring.

I have always believed the price charged should be advised before hand by the PH operator - the contract is with the Operator and not the driver.

Additionally, the PH driver should be employed by the PH Operator - unless of course the driver has a operators license themselves - this would cut PH numbers overnight - yet I know f*ck all me......I've only been banging on about it forever - largely ignored by the taxi trade - who would rather take uber to court - with other PH operators, over a taximeter issue - when the London law basically makes that the responsibility of the PHV owner FFS


Nail hammer head again cc


Until the entire taxi trade grasp this they will limp on with shot feet.

Taxis pick up public in the street-this must be regulated.

PH are bookings only.

Each regulated according to their modus operandi. Enforcement is the issue! Uber is a private hire issue.

Apps for taxis and apps for PH are here now and need regulated. The technology that makes apps so much more efficient to both trades can also be used to make enforcement so much easier.

Engage-regulate-enforce move on!


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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:52 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
Sussex wrote:

When it's busy people will pay extra to get a cab quickly, frankly I'm surprised it's taken Uber to come along for others in the trade to work that out.


the taxi trade has known it for years - it just chooses to call it something else


When the topic of the party Tarrif comes up, up here, I've alway's promoted/supported a rise at times of high demand as a way of keeping cabs out later but it has to be reasonable and affordable, it also can't be open to manipulation by drivers, drivers logging off the Uber app can cause surging.

Maybe up here our trade reps need to revisit times of high demand and there are a few obvious ones I can think of, again though it has to be reasonable and straight forward, to wipe out Uber we have to get cabs out at times of high demand, simple.

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:59 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
captain cab wrote:
Sussex wrote:

When it's busy people will pay extra to get a cab quickly, frankly I'm surprised it's taken Uber to come along for others in the trade to work that out.


the taxi trade has known it for years - it just chooses to call it something else


When the topic of the party Tarrif comes up, up here, I've alway's promoted/supported a rise at times of high demand as a way of keeping cabs out later but it has to be reasonable and affordable, it also can't be open to manipulation by drivers, drivers logging off the Uber app can cause surging.

Maybe up here our trade reps need to revisit times of high demand and there are a few obvious ones I can think of, again though it has to be reasonable and straight forward, to wipe out Uber we have to get cabs out at times of high demand, simple.


since the 1600's the cab trade in London had a single tariff

It changed during the 1990's to encourage drivers to work

whats the difference? in so far as the info I have - the customer is aware of the change, because they're given a quotation.

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:03 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:

I'd rather book a taxi at a time of high demand that charges an affordable Tarrif and one that is regulated based on affordability/acceptable to driver and punter.

There is nothing to stop a punter booking a cab at a time of high demand through the usual channels.

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
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Knowledge is everything about the trade, many cabbies can give very accurate estimates based on exactly that, Knowledge.

Many punters also know roughly how much there fare should cost them.

It's like Uber types are de-humanising our trade :roll: :roll: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: JUDGEMENT DAY
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:09 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
Knowledge is everything about the trade, many cabbies can give very accurate estimates based on exactly that, Knowledge.

Many punters also know roughly how much there fare should cost them.

It's like Uber types are de-humanising our trade :roll: :roll: :roll:


of course they are - its like phoning to question your gas bill and dealing with some dizzy b*tch in india ffs

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