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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:40 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

And drivers who have had a malicious complaint thrown out, or has not been bashed on the head because of the deterrent effect seldom moan about CCTV.




Thats possibly correct , and of course as said previously for drivers it can be invaluable , and as its our safety at stake it should be our decision whether to install or not . However as we all know the reason for it being made compulsory is not for our safety is it , as lets be honest the authorities have never concerned themselves with our safety in the past .


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:41 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

You also miss the 10s of 1000s of drivers who don't own the car they are working in, are they not entitled to be protected?




Im quite sure they are more than capable of deciding for themselves as they have done for many years .


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:41 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

I disagree that CCTV will not prevent offending.



And that is your right , and i disagree with you on this point as do many others , the difference is i and many others are being forced to pay for something that we disagree with . Im sure if the tables were turned you would also object .


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:42 pm 
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Would I call a punter a c**t if I knew I had audio on my CCTV? Would I drive like a fruitcake if I knew it was on CCTV? Most certainly not, I and many others will mend their ways.





Number 1 you shouldn't be calling your punters c***s [-X whether they deserve it or not ( fit and proper ), number 2 im sure you know the rules on the use of audio . Southampton ring any bells .

Do you drive like a fruitcake ? whether you do or do not, unless forward facing is part of the CCTV spec which i don't believe it is , interior facing CCTV will be limited in what it shows about your driving . I think also there are sufficient safeguards in place via other means to catch the fruitcake drivers of this world , or are we so special that we need to be ordered to fund our own deterrent so we can mend our evil ways . :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:42 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

Yes if I was a perv or a thug and I knew I was going to do perv and thug stuff, then I could tamper with the CCTV, but most of these matters aren't planned, so there is a good chance of even these getting caught.



I have no idea whether these matters are planned or not , however the answer is still the same cover the lens , turn off ignition etc etc .


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:43 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

However the only certain thing is without CCTV the pervs and the thugs, as well as the hotheads and nightmare drivers will continue.



Will not change a thing in regards to rogue drivers .


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:44 pm 
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Sussex wrote:

In respect of data control, some councils act as the data controller, but I'm not sure I support that. But I do support data controllers who are drivers not being able to download their own data.


Why would anyone support that , what possible interest would a third party data controller have in the ins and out of how taxi CCTV should operate . If the licencing authority insist on compulsory CCTV then they should step up and be the data controller . I paid for my system am currently my systems data controller and have been for years , and ,i will try my best to maintain my right to have control over it . ( and no i do not have anything to hide ) If the authorities wish to have that power then they can if they wish supply fit maintain and be the data controller . Or maybe they could make it voluntary and find other ways that might actually address the problems they deem the taxi trade of having..


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:44 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
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So the question is why are we being forced to pay for compulsory CCTV ? .


Because cab drivers both PH and HC have a consistent line of abusing vulnerable people.

If you don't believe me, consult the news section.



A few rogue drivers maybe probably no more than in any other walk of life , the difference being is that no other groups are being made scapegoats and being forced to comply with and pay for something that is not fit for purpose .


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:51 pm 
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bunny wrote:
All very interesting comments on this but to put my two-penneth worth in.

There is a mockery of compulsory cctv when it is enforced on to the trade in one area and yet the adjoining area may not have it. This is especially the case where there is cross boarder hiring where vehicles of working in each others areas.

This is especially an important issue where london licensed uber drivers are working in others areas. And there is no compulsory cctv for the london trade, only voluntary cctv where you can be your own data controller.

Regardless of anyone's personal view I think it is now time for national legislation on the use of cctv in the trade so councils and the trades know exactly where they stand.

I know of one area that is trying to bring compulsory cctv that is insisting that only HD quality can be used. why would this be? Are there any rules on using cctv in pubs and clubs for such conditions? Additionally can the council enforce audio on pub and club cctv conditions of licensing where is audio not used?

I dont know but perhaps someone on here does know?

The real reason why councils are enforcing compulsory cctv on the trade is because they can by virtue having the ability to chop and change local licensing conditions whenever they want to.



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:01 pm 
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this thread appears to be trying to find a solution for something that should not happen, with equipment that will ensure it will not happen.

we all know bad people do bad things, but people are quibbling for the sake of maybe £400......a quid plus a day ffs

uber deserve to win.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:47 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
this thread appears to be trying to find a solution for something that should not happen, with equipment that will ensure it will not happen.

we all know bad people do bad things, but people are quibbling for the sake of maybe £400......a quid plus a day ffs

uber deserve to win.



If some are to be believed the solution has already been found , it is the saviour of all that is bad in the taxi trade " COMPULSORY TAXI CCTV " and all for the bargain price from around the £400 + mark .
Don't dare to question its capabilities or point out its shortcomings for fear of being labelled as having something to hide . Pay up shut up and prepare to be shafted further in the future .
Body worn cameras next to catch you evil taxi drivers as you continue with your nasty crimes , for when your not in your cab .

As a sideline i can do these full HD top quality just £365 only a pound a day for a year ffs :wink:

Of course i will be looking for these to become compulsory despite the fact they will not be fit for purpose , but if im correct that will not be an obstacle in getting approval .

:wink: :wink: :wink: :D


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:53 am 
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captain cab wrote:
this thread appears to be trying to find a solution for something that should not happen, with equipment that will ensure it will not happen.

we all know bad people do bad things, but people are quibbling for the sake of maybe £400......a quid plus a day ffs

uber deserve to win.



It's the same all over in the Taxi Trade, it's the same people who won't pay 10p a day to join an association.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 2:58 pm 
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Nidge2 wrote:

It's the same all over in the Taxi Trade, it's the same people who won't pay 10p a day to join an association.


It could be said that maybe those " same people " who are unwilling to just roll over and accept everything that is thrown at them without question could , prevent all of us from having to pay for the future follies of those that claim to know whats best for us and our trade .

Another issue another time and any one of us could become one of those " same people " ... :-o


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:57 pm 
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hicab wrote:
Nidge2 wrote:

It's the same all over in the Taxi Trade, it's the same people who won't pay 10p a day to join an association.


It could be said that maybe those " same people " who are unwilling to just roll over and accept everything that is thrown at them without question could , prevent all of us from having to pay for the future follies of those that claim to know whats best for us and our trade .

Another issue another time and any one of us could become one of those " same people " ... :-o



What's your problem with CCTV, have you something to hide? It's been the best bit of kit I've had oh, I purchased it myself.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2016 9:01 pm 
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I don't have a problem with CCTV, I think it's a good thing. I actually have it fitted, albeit a cheap £30 dashcam that can be spun round to film the interior if needed. But it does the job.

The issue I have is being told WHICH system I have to have fitted, WHERE I have to buy it from and WHO I MUST have it fitted by - no choice in the matter at all.

What would you have to say if the LA decided that Michelin tyres were the best and as such not only will all cabs have to have Michelins fitted but they can only be bought from and fitted by one tyre supplier in the area ? Or that in order to pass pit you must have Halfords wiper blades, bought from and installed by Halfords ?

You would maybe argue that you can get better tyres and wipers from other suppliers, or the same tyres and wipers from a cheaper supplier. But the LA won't let you do that.

The same goes for this particular CCTV system, if it is the best and the cheapest then fair enough. But if you can get the same system for a cheaper price elsewhere, or a better system for the same/cheaper price the LA won't let you choose it.
The LA should outline the minimum specifications required and then leave it up to the vehicle owner to choose which system they buy, who they buy it from and where they get it fitted. Or in a similar way to having approved vehicles have an approved list of CCTV systems that can be fitted.


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