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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 8:32 pm 
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So there are 65 submissions.

Not going to read them all, but there are some good ones in my view.

Is 65 many? Of course not, but at least it's something.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 20, 2025 9:03 pm 
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I wonder if some submissions haven't been published.

I know of one trade submission, which I was sent a copy of, that hasn't been published, and one council that said they would send a submission isn't there either. :-k

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Yes, Sussex, I thought there would be more than 65.

I didn't submit anything, but presumably there might be an publication exemption if requested, on grounds like commercial confidentiality, say.

It also states here that they won't necessarily publish everything they receive anyway. It's a bit vague, and it's not clear why they might not publish everything, unless it's obviously someone just taking the pish, or whatever. I'd assume that a bona fide submission from the trade or a council etc would automatically be published, unless whoever submitted it requested otherwise :?

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What happens to your evidence

Your evidence will usually be published online. We’ll read your evidence and use it to help the Committee’s inquiry. The Committee can also use or quote from your evidence in its report, which will be published on our webpages.

If your evidence is published it stays public forever. This means other people will be able to see and read what you send us. Your name, or your organisation’s name, will usually be published too.

The Committee does not have to accept your evidence or publish what you send us. We’ll e-mail you to let you know what’s happening to your evidence.

In certain circumstances you can ask us to keep your details anonymous or your submission confidential. For example, you might do this if your evidence contains very personal information about you or your family. You can make this request if necessary when you upload your evidence.


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And I see City of Wolverhampton Council playing the innocent victim in it all again. The poor dears were simply inundated with applications, resulting in the current 50,000 badges in issue, and couldn't do a thing about it. And it was all the fault of a big bad government who ran away :oops:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2025 10:24 am 
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The one I was sent a copy of was quite detailed, and in all fairness not that far from the truth.

However I wonder if the committee really wants loads of detail, or just straight forward answers to the questions they posed.

Still no excuse for not publishing it.

Maybe the authour will contact the admin and inquire as to why. As I believe he had a proper receipt, so to speak.

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(And my earlier typo has been fixed - 65 I meant to say, not 25, obviously :oops: )

But they've definitely all been published that they mean to put in the public domain? Maybe the 65 isn't the final total?

It looks like they're not actually published as submitted, because the vast majority seem to use a similar format, layout and typeface etc, so presumably they're reformatting it all themselves, so that might take some time, therefore maybe they'll publish more in future?

On the other hand, they do seem to make it sound as if they can be a tad selective about what they'll publish, precisely, but I'd guess they'd only not publish it unless it was something very odd or extreme, or whatever.

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How your submission will be treated

If your submission is accepted by the Committee, it will usually be published online. It will then be available permanently for anyone to view and may be found online by using search engines. It cannot be changed or removed. If you have included your name or any personal information in your submission, that will normally be published too. Please consider how much personal information you want or need to share. Your contact details will never be published. Final decisions on whether any evidence is anonymised, redacted or kept confidential are made by the Committee
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There could be legal reasons, and a whole host of other stuff, such as being too long, or too off-topic, or whatever. There's this more general page about submitting evidence to select committees, and potentially there looks like a whole host of reasons they might not publish stuff, but it looks like that if it's not going to be published, then they would let the person making the submission know.

But, again, it all looks a bit vague - this general page says it's 3,000 words max, but the specific taxi 'call to evidence' only says if it's over 3,000 words then a summary should be included. 3,000 words is generally less than 10 pages (I'd guess) of the kind of stuff in the submissions I've looked at, so some of them must be a lot longer than 3,000 words :?

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I pasted Uber's submission into Word, and it suggests it's over 7,000 words, so it's maybe not length that's an issue with any of them. Although Uber's does have a summary at the top, as is suggested for those over 3,000 words.

On the other hand, one or two of the submissions just seem to be random stuff about taxis, and not really addressing the specific 'call for evidence' submissions at all, yet they seem to have published them :?


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Doubt if I'll really read any of them in full, but naturally a quick look suggests a lot of them are being very selective, and maybe a tad misleading. For example, Uber doesn't really say much at all about cross-border working, which is surprising, but maybe that's because they don't want to focus on the topic.

And this bit stood out:

Uber wrote:
Restricting cross-border driving would have a range of damaging consequences. Across the major Mayoral Combined Authorities, a restriction on cross border driving would result in:

● Over 28 million journeys unable to take place
● Almost 4 million passengers unable to access services
● Over 50 thousand drivers unable to respond to demand
● Over £250 million of lost earnings

I'd guess that's just stats they've collated relating to trips involving some sort of cross-border element, and they're claiming that they simply couldn't happen under an amended regime. Which, of course, isn't correct. I think they're just stating, in effect, that cross-border runs just couldn't happen under an ABBA or Scottish-style regime. Which is bollocks [-(


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Had a quick look at the Stockton-on-Tees Council submission as well, and they've manage to confuse vehicles with drivers. You might expect that with the press, but not a submission like this to Parliament from a licensing authority :-s

Stockton-on-Tees Borough Council wrote:
Stockton on Tees is comparable in size and population to Wolverhampton, SBC currently licence 878 drivers, Wolverhampton currently licence over 35,000 drivers. The majority of which do not work in Wolverhampton.

The 35,000 is, of course, vehicle numbers, not drivers, which is around 50,000 [-(


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But, again, it all looks a bit vague - this general page says it's 3,000 words max, but the specific taxi 'call to evidence' only says if it's over 3,000 words then a summary should be included. 3,000 words is generally less than 10 pages (I'd guess) of the kind of stuff in the submissions I've looked at, so some of them must be a lot longer than 3,000 words

I was unaware there was a limit, as I suspect was the authour of the one that hasn't made it. His submission was 17 pages, not all text, but I guess more than 10,000 words. (edit - just did the Word word count and it was 8,600)

I suspect he will email it separately to each of the Trans Committee members.

Does also beg the question as to how many other submissions didn't make it. It would have been nice if the admin could have emailed back requesting it to be shortened.

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A chap once told be about the attention span of the average MP

If you cant put it on an A$ sheet in bullet points - forget it - sad I know

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The historical revisionism and blame-shifting in the Wolverhampton submission is incredible. But entirely as expected given how they've effectively done a complete U-turn from the braggadocio days of when Alan Bolshaw was licensing chair.

But basically they're now arguing against the very things they've enabled, such as varying standards in the same areas because of cross-border cars, license shopping and enforcement difficulties etc.

It's basically the psychological manipulation of gaslighting, or a bit like this DARVO thing in emotional abuse scenarios etc - Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

So basically they're Denying the huge rise in cross-bordering has anything to do with and Attacking the legislation etc. And they're playing the Victim in it all rather than the Offender.

Of course, they couldn't have done it without the legislation, but in the early days they obviously viewed themselves as some kind of de facto national licensing authority, as opposed to a bog standard licensing council with more efficient systems and cheaper fees.


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I mean, they've spent a decade highlighting difference and lack of uniformity across the country for their own benefit, but now it's a problem? :-s

City of Wolverhampton Council's TransComm submission wrote:
Fundamentally the licensing system needs to change to ensure that there is a more co-
ordinated and uniform system across the country and less difference, both in terms of
applications, processing, standards and enforcement.

And, for example, now they're saying there should be more co-ordinated and uniform enforcement?

But, when, in probably a hundred plus press reports and the like over the years from the areas they're operating in, have they ever said enforcement is a problem? As opposed to the boilerplate about taking "enforcement responsibilities seriously and our officers are out across the country, every Friday and Saturday night, working to protect the public.", blah, blah [-X


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Wondered why there was no sign of submissions from Sefton and Knowsley either. But the Liverpool City Region/Combined Authority has made a single submission on behalf of them all =D>

But which spends several paragraphs mumping and moaning about Wolverhampton :lol:

It's section 3 here. Couldn't actually be bothered reading it properly, but its content seems pretty predictable. Except to the extent it's supposedly made on behalf of Sefton and Knowsley :roll:

https://committees.parliament.uk/writte ... 48409/pdf/


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