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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:51 pm 
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You want dereg on plates why not on vehicle types, fares, boundaries everything ! I dont hear you calling for a freemarket.

I just want every licensed driver to be able to have his own taxi if he wants to, via the council for nothing.

Why should we have different layers of licensed driver? :?

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You want dereg on plates why not on vehicle types, fares, boundaries everything ! I dont hear you calling for a freemarket.

I just want every licensed driver to be able to have his own taxi if he wants to, via the council for nothing.

Why should we have different layers of licensed driver? :?



Reply: Every driver can be an owner all he needs is the funds to do it. He buys into a going concern business, you just want something for nothing because you lack the guts to back your ability to run a business.


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tdo aka taxi deregulation online, aka the unholy trinity, its only the dereg bit that gets my goat, the rest of tdo is very informative and up to date, one plate is all they issued in oxford, surprised you made no comment about it.


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Everytime T's phone rings he's accepting a private hire booking, bet he'd be straight on to the LA if he saw a PH taking a flag down!


We have a 2 tier system and so far no-one has come up with a workable alternative.


Could try a 1-tier system like most of the rest of the world :roll: :wink:

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allo allo wrote:
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Everytime T's phone rings he's accepting a private hire booking, bet he'd be straight on to the LA if he saw a PH taking a flag down!


We have a 2 tier system and so far no-one has come up with a workable alternative.


Could try a 1-tier system like most of the rest of the world :roll: :wink:


Reply: Look what plates fetch in those countries, New York plates $300 K etc. They dont have PH, they call it Limo Services and are strictly licensed. Most countries have multi level licensing they just dont call it PH.


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Reply: Look what plates fetch in those countries, New York plates $300 K etc.

I'm pretty sure existing plate holders would love the New York system. [-(

Immigrant drivers having to work 100 hours a week just to get by. All the time the fat cat plate barons are earning millions, while punters receive a poor service at best.

In other words not something the uk trade should be aspiring to. [-X

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reply: A telephone booking is not a PH booking just because someone books a taxi over the phone. PH can only do pre-booked work a hackney is not restricted to rank and street work, there is nothing to prevent a hack accepting pre-booked or telephone work. PH does not have exclusive rights to telephone work. That's reality whether you agree with it or not, PH cars suppliment the taxi trade, there is no PH trade it never existed in its own right. We have a 2 tier system and so far no-one has come up with a workable alternative.


Far be it from me to burst your bubble but its patently obvious you haven't a clue what your talking about. You seem to have no knowledge of the Taxi trade so just what do you do?

Have you heard of the 1976 local government miscellaneous provisions act? I susggest both you and Mr T go and read it, you might gain a little knowledge from it.

67 Hackney carriages used for private hire

(1) No hackney carriage shall be used in the district under contract or purported contract for private hire except at a rate of fares or charges not greater than that fixed by the byelaws or table mentioned in section 66 of this Act, and, when any such hackney carriage is so used, the fare or charge shall be calculated from the point in the district at which the hirer commences his journey.

(2) Any person who knowingly contravenes this section shall be guilty of an offence.

(3) In subsection (1) of this section "contract" means—

(a) a contract made otherwise than while the relevant hackney carriage is plying for hire in the district or waiting at a place in the district which, when the contract is made, is a stand for hackney carriages appointed by the district council under section 63 of this Act; and

(b) a contract made, otherwise than with or through the driver of the relevant hackney carriage, while it is so plying or waiting.

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reply: A telephone booking is not a PH booking just because someone books a taxi over the phone. PH can only do pre-booked work a hackney is not restricted to rank and street work, there is nothing to prevent a hack accepting pre-booked or telephone work. PH does not have exclusive rights to telephone work. That's reality whether you agree with it or not, PH cars suppliment the taxi trade, there is no PH trade it never existed in its own right. We have a 2 tier system and so far no-one has come up with a workable alternative.


Far be it from me to burst your bubble but its patently obvious you haven't a clue what your talking about. You seem to have no knowledge of the Taxi trade so just what do you do?

Have you heard of the 1976 local government miscellaneous provisions act? I susggest both you and Mr T go and read it, you might gain a little knowledge from it.

67 Hackney carriages used for private hire

(1) No hackney carriage shall be used in the district under contract or purported contract for private hire except at a rate of fares or charges not greater than that fixed by the byelaws or table mentioned in section 66 of this Act, and, when any such hackney carriage is so used, the fare or charge shall be calculated from the point in the district at which the hirer commences his journey.

(2) Any person who knowingly contravenes this section shall be guilty of an offence.

(3) In subsection (1) of this section "contract" means—

(a) a contract made otherwise than while the relevant hackney carriage is plying for hire in the district or waiting at a place in the district which, when the contract is made, is a stand for hackney carriages appointed by the district council under section 63 of this Act; and

(b) a contract made, otherwise than with or through the driver of the relevant hackney carriage, while it is so plying or waiting.



Reply From T. : This relates to contracts between user and supplier to protect the the user from overcharging. Nothing to do with PH vehicles as they are not bound by the table of fares. A booking made through the driver of the relevent hackney carriage would also include his agents ie. a booking office or call centre. No-one books a PH they book a taxi, the public rarely understands the distinction. You are trying to use badly written legislation to make your argument. It was unfortunate that the term Private Hire was used, minicabs is not much better. Chauffeurs and Limo's might have been better so the pulic and YOU would see a distinction.


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Reply From T. : This relates to contracts between user and supplier to protect the the user from overcharging. Nothing to do with PH vehicles as they are not bound by the table of fares. A booking made through the driver of the relevent hackney carriage would also include his agents ie. a booking office or call centre. No-one books a PH they book a taxi, the public rarely understands the distinction. You are trying to use badly written legislation to make your argument. It was unfortunate that the term Private Hire was used, minicabs is not much better. Chauffeurs and Limo's might have been better so the pulic and YOU would see a distinction.


What don't you understand about "hackney carriages" being used for private hire?

Are you sure you don't hail from Gateshead?

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Could you please send me a postal address where I could apply to reproduce your ramblings outside of this forum.

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Could you please send me a postal address where I could apply to reproduce your ramblings outside of this forum.

Cheers

B. Lucky :roll:


You can apply by publically asking me on this forum and you will get a public response.

In your case the answer will probably be no. lol

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Copyright notice © The contents of this post are copyright of JD and are not to be reproduced outside of TDO without written permission.


Could you please send me a postal address where I could apply to reproduce your ramblings outside of this forum.

Cheers

B. Lucky :roll:


You can apply by publically asking me on this forum and you will get a public response.

In your case the answer will probably be no. lol

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It don't bother me mate ......................... I'll use the content of the posts of "JD" until such time as they are contributed to a real person as it is only a real person who can hold a copyright.

Wanna test the theory in court ?????????????????

So do I have your permission then or what?

B. Lucky :D :D

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Copyright notice © The contents of this post are copyright of JD and are not to be reproduced outside of TDO without written permission.


Could you please send me a postal address where I could apply to reproduce your ramblings outside of this forum.

Cheers

B. Lucky :roll:


You can apply by publically asking me on this forum and you will get a public response.

In your case the answer will probably be no. lol

Regards

JD


It don't bother me mate ......................... I'll use the content of the posts of "JD" until such time as they are contributed to a real person as it is only a real person who can hold a copyright.

Wanna test the theory in court ?????????????????

So do I have your permission then or what?

B. Lucky :D :D


Well its patently obvious you know nothing about copyright law but that doesn't surprise me. lol

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Reply: Every driver can be an owner all he needs is the funds to do it.

Thanks for that info. :roll:

How many working class people do you know that have £50/60/80,000 spare to buy a piece of plastic that can overnight be worth f*** all? :-s

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