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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:33 pm 
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The use of house prices to compare to taxi fares is nonsense. When house prices start to fall, ALL house prices fall so that if you are selling for a cheaper price whatever you are buying will be at a cheaper price. With taxi fares it is the opposite at the moment the costs of running a taxi are increasing so by holding prices at the same rate or even lowering them is commercial suicide.

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Well it doesn't really matter about house prices, if you look at the figures supplied by patons a while back:

http://www.patonstaxis.co.uk/news-fuel-bills.html

And then convert them to todays prices it would seem that the duty and VAT on the fuel used for one vehicle doing thirty miles to the gallon and covering fifty thousand miles would amount to roughly £5250.00 per year and that is only the tax and duty on it!

The actual cost of the 1667 gallons quoted at the average price paid at the pump works out at £9676.00 per 50,000 miles per vehicle.

I don't know when those figures were compiled but the difference between then and now works out at an extra £2674.60 per 50,000 miles per annum per vehicle, or an extra £51.43 per vehicle per week.

Of course you can adjust these figures to suit your own circumstances and although it may be absorbed at the moment it may be worth considering emigrating to an oil producing country, oh I forgot we're in one. :)


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http://www.patonstaxis.co.uk/news-fuel-bills.html

I wonder which fuel guzzling vehicle is cab A. :roll: :roll:

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Fuel cost comparison CAB ‘A’ CAB ‘B’ CAB ‘C’
Miles per annum 50,000 miles 50,000 50,000
Av. fuel consumption (mpg) 25 mpg any TX, 30 mpg some petrol saloons, 35 mpg E7
Gallons used 2,000 gals 1,667 gals 1,429 gals
Fuel cost at £4.20 per gall. (92.6ppl)


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40 mpg Ford Galaxy TDi
47 mpg Citroen Xsara Picasso HDi
90 mpg (equivelent) Vauxhall Vectra with LPG conversion
20 mpg Lincoln Towncar 8 seat limo on petrol
36 mpg Lincoln Towncar 8 seat limo on LPG :mrgreen:

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The use of house prices to compare to taxi fares is nonsense. When house prices start to fall, ALL house prices fall so that if you are selling for a cheaper price whatever you are buying will be at a cheaper price.


Well their are all kinds of dynamics going on in the economy - for example, you could argue that because some retailers are lowering prices to shift stock then consumers benefit.

However, my point wasn't about house buyers and sellers, it was about an estate agent and how he makes his profit - his costs have got nothing directly to do with house prices. My point was about essentially that he would be better off with lower house prices and thus lower commission if that made him shift more.

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With taxi fares it is the opposite at the moment the costs of running a taxi are increasing so by holding prices at the same rate or even lowering them is commercial suicide.


Well that's a simple accountant's cost-based analysis (as with the recent Scottish Traffic Commissioner's decision), but the reason that businesses employ economists as well comes back to what to the question I asked GA and which both you and him ignored.

Raise prices, particularly during an economic slowdown, and you could end up losing sufficient business that you are worse off than before you upped your prices, which is surely commercial suicide as well.

The problem is that although your costs have increased, your customers won't necessarily accept price rises just because of this - they look mainly to their own circumstances, not your costs.

The problem is neatly encapsulated in the article posted by Sussex in another thread:

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Companies are caught in a tricky position because they either have to pass on their higher costs to consumers or watch their margins and potential profits shrink, analysts said,

A number of airlines, and food firms have started to push up their prices in response to the surging raw material costs, but many are resisting for fear of losing customers.


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At what point do you consider the needs of the customer? :?


What happens to the needs of the customer when the taxi service cannot afford to operate.

The customer is considered when working out amount of rise .................. I quoted 10% to make the maths easy, but from what I've heard from other parts of the country actual figures being discussed are less than 2%. So that works out at around 10p on a £5 fare.

Maybe you have a partner with a good job and can operate for little profit until a signifigant number of drivers go bust and you can get the work in the quantity to make it profitable ..................... but there are people out there who's family relies upon the earnings of a driver as the sole sourse of income.

At what point do you consider the people around you, whether thats your family or other members of the trade.

B. Lucky :D



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What happens to the needs of the customer when the taxi service cannot afford to operate.



The use a cheaper for of transport.

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At what point do you consider the needs of the customer? :?


What happens to the needs of the customer when the taxi service cannot afford to operate.

The customer is considered when working out amount of rise .................. I quoted 10% to make the maths easy, but from what I've heard from other parts of the country actual figures being discussed are less than 2%. So that works out at around 10p on a £5 fare.

Maybe you have a partner with a good job and can operate for little profit until a signifigant number of drivers go bust and you can get the work in the quantity to make it profitable ..................... but there are people out there who's family relies upon the earnings of a driver as the sole sourse of income.

At what point do you consider the people around you, whether thats your family or other members of the trade.

B. Lucky :D



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What happens to the needs of the customer when the taxi service cannot afford to operate.



They use a cheaper form of transport.

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Skull wrote:
GA wrote:
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At what point do you consider the needs of the customer? :?


What happens to the needs of the customer when the taxi service cannot afford to operate.

The customer is considered when working out amount of rise .................. I quoted 10% to make the maths easy, but from what I've heard from other parts of the country actual figures being discussed are less than 2%. So that works out at around 10p on a £5 fare.

Maybe you have a partner with a good job and can operate for little profit until a signifigant number of drivers go bust and you can get the work in the quantity to make it profitable ..................... but there are people out there who's family relies upon the earnings of a driver as the sole sourse of income.

At what point do you consider the people around you, whether thats your family or other members of the trade.

B. Lucky :D



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What happens to the needs of the customer when the taxi service cannot afford to operate.



The use a cheaper for of transport.


But with 3 people sharing taxis are chesper than the busses.

The bus companies put their prices up to cover the extra cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the phraze "if you pay peanuts you get monkeys" was coined after the originater got a taxi in Edinburgh.

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Still got a little while to wait.

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Fuel- ... 4172868.jp

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