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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:04 am 
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100hr weeks? that's excessive by any stretch of the imagination.

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It sadly Isnt...If im not Driving im Book keeping or Car Cleaning or Simply on call...if im on call its the same as working as that time cannot be used for much else, its Work time...it certainly Isnt rest time...Spread over seven Days its 14 hours a day...in reality Im on call between 7.00am through to around 10.00 pm and longer at weekends..thats more Like 15 hours a day.

Its all a matter of how you Interpret your working hours..

Im guessing a lot of you self employed guys are working more than your car Driving time says you are...


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I do hundred hour weeks..but only about 30 hours might be actual driving time..some weeks a bit more other weeks a bit less. had I to work only 48 hours a week id be Feched...


You wouldn't be fecked if everyone else was in the same boat....you would be much busier when you were working. Same money, less hours.


If we were all in the same boat we'd all be Fecked, the Sums dont add up, to Many people chasing to few customers, this compounded by a Recession and in some case compounded still further by Demographic and Geographic issues, Rich and poor parts of the country...In truth we can never all be in the same Boat as there are to many Variables affecting each of us differently...


I think you are missing the point here. The sums do add up.
Number of customers remains the same. This is not affected by your or anyone elses hours.
Number of cabs at any given time reduces. Drivers will have to work different hours but this will find it's own level.
Amount of work per cab increases as the number of available cabs reduces. Instead of 30% of your 100 hours (30 hours) spent earning, 60% of your 48 hours (28.8hrs) will be earning.
Takings will be much the same, more time will be your own and dead milage will be down as well.

The situation you describe would only happen if you and your competition chose to all work the same hours and none of you work at any other time.

It would only work if everyone stuck to the rules though and there was not a sudden influx of new blood.

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100hr weeks? that's excessive by any stretch of the imagination.

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It sadly Isnt...If im not Driving im Book keeping or Car Cleaning or Simply on call...if im on call its the same as working as that time cannot be used for much else, its Work time...it certainly Isnt rest time...Spread over seven Days its 14 hours a day...in reality Im on call between 7.00am through to around 10.00 pm and longer at weekends..thats more Like 15 hours a day.

Its all a matter of how you Interpret your working hours..

Im guessing a lot of you self employed guys are working more than your car Driving time says you are...


Ok, I hadn't considered this.
I personally wouldn't consider sitting watching the tv waiting for the phone to ring as working. Book keeping etc isn't driving either.
It's driving hours that concern me. That's the bit that's unsafe.

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bloodnock wrote:
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100hr weeks? that's excessive by any stretch of the imagination.

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It sadly Isnt...If im not Driving im Book keeping or Car Cleaning or Simply on call...if im on call its the same as working as that time cannot be used for much else, its Work time...it certainly Isnt rest time...Spread over seven Days its 14 hours a day...in reality Im on call between 7.00am through to around 10.00 pm and longer at weekends..thats more Like 15 hours a day.

Its all a matter of how you Interpret your working hours..

Im guessing a lot of you self employed guys are working more than your car Driving time says you are...
Bloodnock spot on. :wink:

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I do hundred hour weeks..but only about 30 hours might be actual driving time..some weeks a bit more other weeks a bit less. had I to work only 48 hours a week id be Feched...


You wouldn't be fecked if everyone else was in the same boat....you would be much busier when you were working. Same money, less hours.


If we were all in the same boat we'd all be Fecked, the Sums dont add up, to Many people chasing to few customers, this compounded by a Recession and in some case compounded still further by Demographic and Geographic issues, Rich and poor parts of the country...In truth we can never all be in the same Boat as there are to many Variables affecting each of us differently...


I think you are missing the point here. The sums do add up.
Number of customers remains the same. This is not affected by your or anyone elses hours.
Number of cabs at any given time reduces. Drivers will have to work different hours but this will find it's own level.
Amount of work per cab increases as the number of available cabs reduces. Instead of 30% of your 100 hours (30 hours) spent earning, 60% of your 48 hours (28.8hrs) will be earning.
Takings will be much the same, more time will be your own and dead milage will be down as well.

The situation you describe would only happen if you and your competition chose to all work the same hours and none of you work at any other time.

It would only work if everyone stuck to the rules though and there was not a sudden influx of new blood.


With respect...If it were so easy would it not already be working. this is not Shangri-La it's over populated Britain in which the Service Industry is at the Mercy of seasonal traits etc, The numbers of Customers do not remain the same, the Number of Cab drivers at any given time is not Constant, things have found there own level, sadly that level was based on better times so unless we have a truly brutal Cull on Taxis and PH things will not change...and if 50% of those currently operating go bust the remaining 50% will have a bumper harvest..but this to will change when more people move back into what they see as a lucrative way of making money.

thats the real fact, People always jump on the gravy train until the gravy train runs dry and the cycle starts all over again...


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This industry is always going to be hard work to earn a decent living from whilst all and saundry can drive a HC/PH without any restrictions in place. If London and Edinburgh are feeling the pinch and they are regulated insofar as HC are concerned how are the HC in areas that are de-limited going to cope. PH is a free for all it's a joke especially with greedy company owners. I mean how many cars do Delta in Sefton have now, probably 3 times more than the company I work for and the drivers here are doing silly hours to make ends meet. There are probably companies out there bigger again how can they justify their greed and then say they do 'risk assessments' and follow 'health & safety codes of practice'. It's a load of bollox and something should be done. I just don't know what exactly :roll:

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Delta are advertising at the moment that they have 1500 vehicles...... and as the only people allowed to drive private hire vehicles are licensed private hire drivers, I would respectfully suggest that you yourselves are to blame.

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Delta are advertising at the moment that they have 1500 vehicles...... and as the only people allowed to drive private hire vehicles are licensed private hire drivers, I would respectfully suggest that you yourselves are to blame.


Hows that, if I had my way they wouldn't issue anymore but the laws of the land don't permit them to stop issuing licences and as I've said before it doesn't help when the HC jump on the PH systems as well and lets be honest is there any need for a company as large as Delta in Sefton and the rates are so low how do their drivers make a living if they don't work long hours

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Police accident investigator Pc Bryan Tew said damage to the car, its stopping distance and the fact that Gary had been thrown over its roof indicated it had been driven at "between 41 and 53 mph".

Assistant Deputy Coroner Donald Coutts-Wood said in a narrative verdict: "Sewell's vehicle collided with Mr Glymond. Sewell was travelling in excess of 30 mph, Mr Glymond sustained a traumatic head injury and died at the location."


If convicted, which on the evidence of the accident officer I think there is every possibility that he might, then my money is on speeding being the cause of the accident and not tiredness. Reading between the lines I also think the magistrates might say something about the drunken state of the victim and the number of hours he spent consuming booze,

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Road safety charity Brake backed the Glymond family's call for a change in the law.

A spokeswoman said: "It's astounding that self-employed taxi drivers can drive for 24 hours a day if they choose. Brake is calling for driving hours to form part of the licence conditions.


Joe public can drive 24 hours a day if they choose therefore I don't see any distinction between a taxi driver driving 14 hours a day and joe public doing the same. Therefore let us extend any new legislation to include the public because there is more of them that cause accidents through tiredness than taxi drivers. Just for the record this guy was empty so there was never any danger to his passengers.

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"Driver tiredness is one of the biggest killers on our roads. Too little sleep radically affects our ability to drive and the result, as in this case and all too often, is death and horrific injury."


And what percentage of killers are taxi drivers? Not as many as joe public therefore you make a good case for restricting driving hours on a national basis.

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That's gonna down like a lead balloon init. Joe public won't like that one bit but it has it's merits :D

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That's gonna down like a lead balloon init. Joe public won't like that one bit but it has it's merits :D


Well at least a cab driver doesn't work 14 hours non stop. If he does then there will be a mass exodus to his area.

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bloodnock wrote:

With respect...If it were so easy would it not already be working.


No, because there are too many greedy feckers out there working too many hours and cutting each others throats in the process. It can't work until everyone limits their hours. You could wait until hell freezes over for that to happen on it's own. Whether we like it or not, the tide is turning against us and we will end up having our hours regulated. Sure as night follows day. Nobody in authority is going to fly in the face of public opinion on this one.

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The numbers of Customers do not remain the same,

The demand does. Demand for cabs is not affected by supply.
If ten people want cabs at 8am, then there are ten jobs available. Doesn't matter if there are ten cabs or fifty available, there are still ten jobs available. ten cabs working will get a job, the others get nothing.

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the Number of Cab drivers at any given time is not Constant,
Drivers will work where there is demand. If they don't, they make no money.

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things have found there own level, sadly that level was based on better times
That level was built on drivers working silly hours and cutting each others feet. One or two get greedy and everyone ends up having to work more hours to keep their earnings up. Nobody makes any more and everyone waits longer between jobs.

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so unless we have a truly brutal Cull on Taxis and PH things will not change...and if 50% of those currently operating go bust the remaining 50% will have a bumper harvest..but this to will change when more people move back into what they see as a lucrative way of making money.

Plenty have this idea. I have yet to see any of them volunteer to be part of the cull.....

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Just for the record this guy was empty so there was never any danger to his passengers.
Lorry drivers do not carry passengers. Are you suggesting there is no need to regulate HGV drivers hours?

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Just for the record this guy was empty so there was never any danger to his passengers.
Lorry drivers do not carry passengers. Are you suggesting there is no need to regulate HGV drivers hours?


I made that statement in case someone suggested the public don't carry fare paying passengers, neither was this guy at the time.

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Just for the record this guy was empty so there was never any danger to his passengers.
Lorry drivers do not carry passengers. Are you suggesting there is no need to regulate HGV drivers hours?


I made that statement in case someone suggested the public don't carry fare paying passengers, neither was this guy at the time.

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Point taken JD.

I think it is fair to say that anyone driving these kinds of hours is a potential danger, whether they get paid for it or not. Regulating the hours driven by joe public would be a challenge but perhaps a worthwhile one.
I still believe that our hours will be regulated, probably sooner rather than later.

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