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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:36 am 
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Toots, number 21 of your conditions says:

21 (iii) Any such meter must be checked and sealed by an Authorised
Officer before it is used.


So in your neck of the woods this whole thread is a mute point.

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Toots in your stamping ground it is a condition.

20. Every Proprietor shall display and maintain the statement of fares inside the vehicle in such a position as to be clearly visible at all times to the hirer. The statement of fares shall include the following information:
(i) The minimum hire charge
(ii) The rate charged per mile
(iii) Any additional charges


So you have to have it as a local condition but not as a result of legislation.


Which presumably includes all those other little things which are also private hire like executive hire vehicles and minibuses under 9 seats and limousines?

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No limos don't, school runs don't, chaffeurs don't

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Chris the Fish wrote:
Toots, number 21 of your conditions says:

21 (iii) Any such meter must be checked and sealed by an Authorised
Officer before it is used.


So in your neck of the woods this whole thread is a mute point.


Why is the whole thread a mute point?

Bare in mind that this was my first question


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had a piece of insulation tape concealing the face of the meter where the tariff selected was displayed.



Would this not be considered altering with the intent to mislead?


My subsequent question was relating to informing the customers of prices before they travelled anywhere

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there is a distinct difference between Limos, Chauffers and Minibuses (and are they over 8 seats those minibuses?) and the regular bog standard ph as you call it. We also have green plates for the school run crews cos they can't do 'regular ph work' either


If it's 4-8 seats, not a HC and for hire and reward, its a PH.
9+ and it's a bus.
A limo is a PH with a flash car and a suit.

Has your LA got it's own legislation?

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A limo is a PH with a flash car and a suit.



Not in all cases. Some councils distinguish a limo from a private hire vehicle and call them "special event vehicles". Also some are licensed as PCV's and of course some are not licensed at all because they allegedly do not fall within the licensing regime as in Leicester.

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Hmmm. :-k

71 Taximeters
(1) Nothing in this Act shall require any private hire vehicle to be equipped with any form of taximeter but no private hire vehicle so equipped shall be used for hire in a controlled district unless such taximeter has been tested and approved by or on behalf of the district council for the district or any other district council by which a vehicle licence in force for the vehicle was issued.


We have had this discussion on here a few times, some years ago, and my view is that this section says meters in PH must be approved by a licensing district, not sealed.

It also has to be tested & the reason for that is that it will only be approved if upon testing it is found to be within the tolerances as laid down by Trading Standards when compared to the tariff set by the PH operator that the vehicle proprietor works for.

Whilst the LG(MP) Act 1976 does not say that a PH hireandrewardmeter must be sealed, any LA would probably put such a reasonable condition in the PHV Proprietor's & PH Driver's Conditions as they are allowed to do by the Act.

There would be no point in testing and approving a hireandrewardmeter in a PHV if it was not sealed immediately afterward, as by not doing so there is no proof to the public that it has been tested & it also leaves any unscrupulous PHV proprietor free to nip down to London & put a few tenners in the top pocket of an equally unscrupulous meter agent for him to input the London HC tariff into the meter.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
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Hmmm. :-k

71 Taximeters
(1) Nothing in this Act shall require any private hire vehicle to be equipped with any form of taximeter but no private hire vehicle so equipped shall be used for hire in a controlled district unless such taximeter has been tested and approved by or on behalf of the district council for the district or any other district council by which a vehicle licence in force for the vehicle was issued.


We have had this discussion on here a few times, some years ago, and my view is that this section says meters in PH must be approved by a licensing district, not sealed.

It also has to be tested & the reason for that is that it will only be approved if upon testing it is found to be within the tolerances as laid down by Trading Standards when compared to the tariff set by the PH operator that the vehicle proprietor works for.

Whilst the LG(MP) Act 1976 does not say that a PH hireandrewardmeter must be sealed, any LA would probably put such a reasonable condition in the PHV Proprietor's & PH Driver's Conditions as they are allowed to do by the Act.

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There would be no point in testing and approving a hireandrewardmeter in a PHV if it was not sealed immediately afterward, as by not doing so there is no proof to the public that it has been tested & it also leaves any unscrupulous PHV proprietor free to nip down to London & put a few tenners in the top pocket of an equally unscrupulous meter agent for him to input the London HC tariff into the meter.


You have a way with words Brum, Thats what I was trying to say, but CC was on the hiss so became a pain like his gearbox :lol:


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grandad wrote:
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A limo is a PH with a flash car and a suit.



Not in all cases. Some councils distinguish a limo from a private hire vehicle and call them "special event vehicles". Also some are licensed as PCV's and of course some are not licensed at all because they allegedly do not fall within the licensing regime as in Leicester.


Our council distinguish between all the different ph available. As I said earlier if a vehicle only does school runs it gets a different colour plate ffs. Limos etc don't have any plates on them but do need licences. We've even got the dreaded free bus that takes people to one of clubs with no plates and I'm not even sure if it's licenced.

Anyway back to the point of the thread imo if a meter is in a vehicle regardless which type of vehicle it is it should be sealed. I don't see why there should be one rule for HC's and one rule for 'bog standard' as CC calls it PH.

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had a piece of insulation tape concealing the face of the meter where the tariff selected was displayed.


If this type of thing is happening imo it is a clear attempt to defruad the passenger

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gusmac wrote:
9+ and it's a bus.

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Also some are licensed as PCV's

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9+ and it's a bus.

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Also some are licensed as PCV's


It's not a bus if it's limo surely?

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9+ and it's a bus.

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Also some are licensed as PCV's


It's not a bus if it's limo surely?


It is if the law says it is.

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Under PCV rules you can run vehicles under 8 seats as well as vehicles over 8 seats. So if you have a PCV operators license you can run a smart car if you like.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
It also has to be tested & the reason for that is that it will only be approved if upon testing it is found to be within the tolerances as laid down by Trading Standards when compared to the tariff set by the PH operator that the vehicle proprietor works for.

You are saying a meter is only approved once a set tariff is checked and sealed.

I'm saying a meter is approved when the maker receives approval for the unit itself.

I can see nothing written in law which says a council must check and seal a meter according to the set rate laid down by the operator.

And IMO for good reason.

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gusmac wrote:
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9+ and it's a bus.

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Also some are licensed as PCV's


It's not a bus if it's limo surely?


It is if the law says it is.


Quite. Does the law say it is?

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toots wrote:
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9+ and it's a bus.

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Also some are licensed as PCV's


It's not a bus if it's limo surely?


It is if the law says it is.


Quite. Does the law say it is?


The law says you need a PCV drivers licence to drive more than 8 passengers for hire and reward.
If the limo isn't a bus, what use is a PCV driver's licence?

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