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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:23 am 
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How are you going to assure us ? Argue against this !

http://taxicaselaw.blogspot.co.uk/2012/ ... eming.html

Couldn't give a monkeys what Mr Fleming says, it's the blokes with the white wigs that matter, and even they aren't that confident on a proper definition.

It all depends on what the driver does and says, merely sitting in a PH on a high street isn't plying for hire.



Correct, but since all the advertising went on a PH car, i.e base number name and we don't charge for this and that in decals it should be now though imo.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:11 am 
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Because Unite the Union are complicit with this agenda. They never opposed it in London and McCluskey, Peter Kavanagh are a disgrace ! You guys really need to dump Unite ASAP ![/quote]



I have every confidence that when Unite Liverpool hear of this affair , they will go ape [edited by admin] . After all some of their reps, have cabs and plates . Now i know they sit round all day talking [edited by admin] , supposed to be delivering N V Q s . Strange that they push for N V Q s then they all get full time jobs, in there prestigious state of the art Taxi training school in Bute street, teaching N V Q s.

I will just remind them, the new P H office ,will be on the junction of DUKE STREET AND HANOVER STREET . Even they can work out the implications of that.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:49 am 
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Acars21 wrote:
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Because Unite the Union are complicit with this agenda. They never opposed it in London and McCluskey, Peter Kavanagh are a disgrace ! You guys really need to dump Unite ASAP !




I have every confidence that when Unite Liverpool hear of this affair , they will go ape [edited by admin] . After all some of their reps, have cabs and plates . Now i know they sit round all day talking [edited by admin] , supposed to be delivering N V Q s . Strange that they push for N V Q s then they all get full time jobs, in there prestigious state of the art Taxi training school in Bute street, teaching N V Q s.

I will just remind them, the new P H office ,will be on the junction of DUKE STREET AND HANOVER STREET . Even they can work out the implications of that.

regards Acars21


They may well go ape but will they actually be able to do anything about it? A ph office is a legitimate business and so long as it meets the criteria there is no reason why it shouldn't be there. Perhaps the taxi drivers of Liverpool should have thought about an office first instead of spitting their dummy out when things don't go to plan (meant loosely of course cos they don't have a plan). I'm not entirely sure what implications you're thinking about tbh. With regard to the NVQ, you have to remember that unions are run like a business and the revenue from the courses helps to fill the coffers. If the drivers wanted a fair representation for themselves they should have joined a union or association that isn't representing both sides of the trade imo.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:43 pm 
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i love the way london unsensored has no fcking idea of taxi law and relies on a blog of dubious legality... :lol:


Are you questioning the legality of the blog ? I'm sorry but I don't understand your pointless. :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:06 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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How are you going to assure us ? Argue against this !

http://taxicaselaw.blogspot.co.uk/2012/ ... eming.html

Couldn't give a monkeys what Mr Fleming says, it's the blokes with the white wigs that matter, and even they aren't that confident on a proper definition.

It all depends on what the driver does and says, merely sitting in a PH on a high street isn't plying for hire.


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What makes you think anyone gives a toss what "You Think". You couldn't be bothered to read the case law that Alan Fleming quoted verbatim. These are the rulings that were made by the men in ermine and white wigs that you refer to.

Like I said: "How are you going to assure us ?" You cant !

Once a judge makes a ruling; that ruling sets a precedent in law that can be raised as an argument in any future cases of a similar nature.

sitting in a PH on a high street isn't plying for hire. Quite right... without a legitimate reason for being there; It's called "Loitering".

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:26 pm 
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Acars21 wrote:
London Uncensored wrote:

Because Unite the Union are complicit with this agenda. They never opposed it in London and McCluskey, Peter Kavanagh are a disgrace ! You guys really need to dump Unite ASAP !




I have every confidence that when Unite Liverpool hear of this affair , they will go ape [edited by admin] . After all some of their reps, have cabs and plates . Now i know they sit round all day talking [edited by admin] , supposed to be delivering N V Q s . Strange that they push for N V Q s then they all get full time jobs, in there prestigious state of the art Taxi training school in Bute street, teaching N V Q s.

I will just remind them, the new P H office ,will be on the junction of DUKE STREET AND HANOVER STREET . Even they can work out the implications of that.

regards Acars21


They may well go ape but will they actually be able to do anything about it? A ph office is a legitimate business and so long as it meets the criteria there is no reason why it shouldn't be there. Perhaps the taxi drivers of Liverpool should have thought about an office first instead of spitting their dummy out when things don't go to plan (meant loosely of course cos they don't have a plan). I'm not entirely sure what implications you're thinking about tbh. With regard to the NVQ, you have to remember that unions are run like a business and the revenue from the courses helps to fill the coffers. If the drivers wanted a fair representation for themselves they should have joined a union or association that isn't representing both sides of the trade imo.


NVQ's were put forward in the Private Hire consultation in London by Unite London cab section. When the findings of the consultation were published it stated that...

"There was no evidence to support that this was a necessary requirement and this proposal would not be carried forward."

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:40 pm 
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London Uncensored wrote:
NVQ's were put forward in the Private Hire consultation in London by Unite London cab section. When the findings of the consultation were published it stated that...

"There was no evidence to support that this was a necessary requirement and this proposal would not be carried forward."


Your point is what exactly? Unite don't care if they are relevant they just want the revenue and if you can't see that you're more blinkered than I already think you are. Also you have to remember that if the private hire trade in London (thus the rest of the UK) can get out of being included in the equalities act then they sure as hell can get away with not having to do an NVQ :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 4:38 pm 
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toots wrote:
London Uncensored wrote:
NVQ's were put forward in the Private Hire consultation in London by Unite London cab section. When the findings of the consultation were published it stated that...

"There was no evidence to support that this was a necessary requirement and this proposal would not be carried forward."


Your point is what exactly? Unite don't care if they are relevant they just want the revenue and if you can't see that you're more blinkered than I already think you are. Also you have to remember that if the private hire trade in London (thus the rest of the UK) can get out of being included in the equalities act then they sure as hell can get away with not having to do an NVQ :lol:


Calm down now, calm down, eh, eh :badgrin:
It does appear that the truth about Hackney Carriage Law and how it impacts Private Hire is causing you to feel even more inadequate than ever. As for the Equalities Act. I have to admit I have no idea or knowledge of how this Act applies to Licensed Taxis or Private hire. Would you care to extrapolate on your earlier post and enlighten us all WTF you are talking about ?

As for Unite the Union, I agree this is a parasitic organisation of no use at all. Many different sectors are complaining of the lack of input and support of the executive.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:30 pm 
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London Uncensored wrote:
Calm down now, calm down, eh, eh :badgrin: :badgrin:


I am calm because the whole affair is of no consequence to me whatsoever, I get the impression you think I'm a scouser :lol:

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It does appear that the truth about Hackney Carriage Law and how it impacts Private Hire is causing you to feel even more inadequate than ever


How exactly is that? I'm not the one crying cos of a ph base being close to a taxi rank ffs. What part of the HC law do you think impacts me?

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As for the Equalities Act. I have to admit I have no idea or knowledge of how this Act applies to Licensed Taxis or Private hire. Would you care to extrapolate on your earlier post and enlighten us all WTF you are talking about ?


Extrapolate? :lol: Surely you mean elaborate or explain :wink: Just google the equalities act then you'll find the bit relevant to taxis at part 12

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:08 pm 
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Calm down now, calm down, eh, eh :badgrin: :badgrin:


I am calm because the whole affair is of no consequence to me whatsoever, I get the impression you think I'm a scouser :lol:

London Uncensored wrote:
It does appear that the truth about Hackney Carriage Law and how it impacts Private Hire is causing you to feel even more inadequate than ever


How exactly is that? I'm not the one crying cos of a ph base being close to a taxi rank ffs. What part of the HC law do you think impacts me?

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As for the Equalities Act. I have to admit I have no idea or knowledge of how this Act applies to Licensed Taxis or Private hire. Would you care to extrapolate on your earlier post and enlighten us all WTF you are talking about ?


Extrapolate? :lol: Surely you mean elaborate or explain :wink: Just google the equalities act then you'll find the bit relevant to taxis at part 12


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... xtrapolate

Ok, I think you have made your pointless =D>

You raised the subject of the Equalities Act and I have asked you to explain. Hows that ? Or would you like me to draw a picture for you ?
You asked me for the Hackney Carriage Law and court rulings and I supplied them chapter and verse. However, you just point me to the internet when I asked for an answer.

Reciprocation, that's another word that you probably don't know. This wouldn't be through ignorance; more likely selfishness :badgrin:

It does appear that you only bat and totally fail to recognise that occasionally you need to bowl :D :D :D

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They may well go ape but will they actually be able to do anything about it? A ph office is a legitimate business and so long as it meets the criteria there is no reason why it shouldn't be there. Perhaps the taxi drivers of Liverpool should have thought about an office first instead of spitting their dummy out when things don't go to plan (meant loosely of course cos they don't have a plan). I'm not entirely sure what implications you're thinking about tbh. With regard to the NVQ, you have to remember that unions are run like a business and the revenue from the courses helps to fill the coffers. If the drivers wanted a fair representation for themselves they should have joined a union or association that isn't representing both sides of the trade imo.[/quote]

The plan i don't know, has Tony Mullane is the National Secretary for the NTTG (National Taxi Trades Group) Got a plan for Liverpool ? Is that the way forward to compete with buses.(He's down the Mayors ear holes )
Have Unite got a plan? most of their members drive Hackneys?
Have the big fleet owners got a Plan? i see the biggest had 80 plus cabs and plates now has 50 odd.
Perhaps they would come on here and tell us, because i am ukked if i know

I think they have all given up. As for implications, you have been to Hanover street, what would you get into a cab charging £20
or a car charging £13 He's got 400 cars. that could double to 800 he expects to be up and running by Christmas .

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What makes you think anyone gives a toss what "You Think". You couldn't be bothered to read the case law that Alan Fleming quoted verbatim. These are the rulings that were made by the men in ermine and white wigs that you refer to.

Well clearly you do or you wouldn't be quoting me. :roll: :roll: :roll:

If what you are saying i.e. PH vehicles parked up on a street is illegal, then we would have 1000s of cases every day in the courts, but in reality I doubt there are more than 100 each year.

But I glad you have confirmed, yet again, that members of the London taxi trade have no f***ing idea about taxi law.

Other then Mr GBC. :wink:

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i love the way london unsensored has no fcking idea of taxi law and relies on a blog of dubious legality... :lol:


Are you questioning the legality of the blog ? I'm sorry but I don't understand your pointless. :roll:



No, there's lots of nice court cases on there, but you appear to miss the point of almost all of them.

Ahh, yeah you used 'pointless', thats a play on words, very good.

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They may well go ape but will they actually be able to do anything about it? A ph office is a legitimate business and so long as it meets the criteria there is no reason why it shouldn't be there. Perhaps the taxi drivers of Liverpool should have thought about an office first instead of spitting their dummy out when things don't go to plan (meant loosely of course cos they don't have a plan). I'm not entirely sure what implications you're thinking about tbh. With regard to the NVQ, you have to remember that unions are run like a business and the revenue from the courses helps to fill the coffers. If the drivers wanted a fair representation for themselves they should have joined a union or association that isn't representing both sides of the trade imo.


The plan i don't know, has Tony Mullane is the National Secretary for the NTTG (National Taxi Trades Group) Got a plan for Liverpool ? Is that the way forward to compete with buses.(He's down the Mayors ear holes )
Have Unite got a plan? most of their members drive Hackneys?
Have the big fleet owners got a Plan? i see the biggest had 80 plus cabs and plates now has 50 odd.
Perhaps they would come on here and tell us, because i am ukked if i know

I think they have all given up. As for implications, you have been to Hanover street, what would you get into a cab charging £20
or a car charging £13 He's got 400 cars. that could double to 800 he expects to be up and running by Christmas .

Regards Acars21


Nor do I know what plans any of the above have apart from the ph operator who clearly intends to expand on his operations. With regards to your other question of which vehicle I would get into it really does depend. If I'm shooting down to Matthew Street I'd jump into a cab, if however I was going home I'd either jump into a cab which would be my 2nd choice or I'd ring a ph from the area I came from :wink:

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You raised the subject of the Equalities Act and I have asked you to explain. Hows that ? Or would you like me to draw a picture for you ?
You asked me for the Hackney Carriage Law and court rulings and I supplied them chapter and verse. However, you just point me to the internet when I asked for an answer.


You provided me with links to cases which I have to read, I didn't provide you a link but I don't need to because you can clearly google so I told where to find out about the equalities act which you said you knew nothing about, that is about as helpful as I get but if I think it's worth it I'll post a link for you :wink:

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