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John, they were getting £11K a year in shift allowances alone.


I really do not see the issue. To my way of thinking a workforce of any kind should be suitably remunerated for working outside the norm.

Having said that I do not think for one moment that ALL employees are on 55K per annum or for that matter all are on 11K shift allowance. Of course there will be some on these figures, unfortunately when the press get hold of something they tend to ever so slightly........... exaggerate.

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does anyone honestly believe that they would have paid them big money unless it was there to be paid.
.............you have to realise that whatever they are/were being paid, then they (the company) had to be able to afford it otherwise they would not have given it.

My bet is that the company figures have been manipulated to show big losses, because as far as I can see the Petroleum Industry is doing very nicely! so what has changed so much that they are apparently losing 10 mil per month? for sure it is not the wages as they have been accounted for & for sure those tw&ts at the top will not be taking a sizeable drop in their remuneration. The kind of money that they are dealing in is probably similar to the "Banks"...........a loss one minute - big bucks the next. The losers! Oh that's right, it will be the workforce..............three guesses as to who the winners are!!!!!

Remember their remuneration was negotiated and the company gave what they could afford - to go down the route of closing a company of that size without even mentioning redundancies in the first instance is unprecedented - to open it straight back up having beat everyone with a big stick...........tells me there is still big/VERY big profits to be made.

If there has been a change in demand for their product and they are doing less in production.........then leadership should come from the very top "We are all in this together" rings a bell. The bosses at the top of the tree should be leading by example and reducing their own package - but I guess that will not happen any time soon.

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On lesser wages, well done Unite for shafting your members.

100% of nothing is nothing.

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sussex actually that wasn't my quote I was replying to it posted by another member

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On lesser wages, well done Unite for shafting your members.

100% of nothing is nothing.

Who in this country isn't on lesser wages ? Were all getting well and truly screwed and who can we blame ...... :roll:


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Sussex wrote:
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On lesser wages, well done Unite for shafting your members.

100% of nothing is nothing.

Who in this country isn't on lesser wages ? Were all getting well and truly screwed and who can we blame ...... :roll:



The cosy club known as Toryliberallabour apart from a few detail differences they are all the same in it for the gravy and never mind what is right for the UK

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Who in this country isn't on lesser wages ? Were all getting well and truly screwed and who can we blame ...... :roll:

The mob that came into gov in 1997 when public debt was £352 billion, and left in 2010 when public debt was £1.1 trillion.

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Who in this country isn't on lesser wages ? Were all getting well and truly screwed and who can we blame ...... :roll:

The mob that came into gov in 1997 when public debt was £352 billion, and left in 2010 when public debt was £1.1 trillion.


As well as the mob who replaced them in office, bringing us austerity and promising to cut public debt - then increasing it instead.

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As well as the mob who replaced them in office, bringing us austerity and promising to cut public debt - then increasing it instead.

The budget deficit has been reduced, but clearly the debt has increased.

I suspect there are many in the Tory party who would have reduced spending far far more than has happened, and I doubt you would have applauded them for it.

So it's a bit naughty you criticising them for not reducing the Labour debt/deficit more than they are.

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As well as the mob who replaced them in office, bringing us austerity and promising to cut public debt - then increasing it instead.

The budget deficit has been reduced, but clearly the debt has increased.

I suspect there are many in the Tory party who would have reduced spending far far more than has happened, and I doubt you would have applauded them for it.

So it's a bit naughty you criticising them for not reducing the Labour debt/deficit more than they are.


It's no more naughty than you calling it Labour debt when the vast majority of it was wasted bailing out the banks.
I certainly don't remember many Tories objecting at the time. :shock:

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Anyway, Tory / Labour / Lib Dem / UKIP makes no difference.
All sing from the same neo-liberal hymn sheet and all scumbags.

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Sussex wrote:
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As well as the mob who replaced them in office, bringing us austerity and promising to cut public debt - then increasing it instead.

The budget deficit has been reduced, but clearly the debt has increased.

I suspect there are many in the Tory party who would have reduced spending far far more than has happened, and I doubt you would have applauded them for it.

So it's a bit naughty you criticising them for not reducing the Labour debt/deficit more than they are.



Sussex who are you kidding the national debt is spiraling out of control and it is the fault of our whole political set up not any one party. Britain is the most debt ridden nation in the world the only reason our economy hasn't collapsed is that the politicians have contrived a confidence trick on the lenders convincing them we can afford to pay those debt levels sooner or later it will collapse and all our savings and pension pots will be snatched by the IMF to pay off the debt

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Its a pretty lame argument to keep the tory mantra of" look who got us into this mess". These feckwits in power now certainly arent doing any better.Maybe for themselves they are ! Trouble is there really isnt a viable party to vote for at the moment,we need someone to stand up and promise to nationalise things like energy and the rail network ect.Invest properly in alternative green renewable energy,cause whilst were under the strangehold of oil were fecked !! Slightly different note but if you voted Tory you new what you were in for(greedy pigs) but Lib Dem,id be spitting feathers,they really have sold thereselves out. :roll:


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John, they were getting £11K a year in shift allowances alone.


I really do not see the issue. To my way of thinking a workforce of any kind should be suitably remunerated for working outside the norm.

Having said that I do not think for one moment that ALL employees are on 55K per annum or for that matter all are on 11K shift allowance. Of course there will be some on these figures, unfortunately when the press get hold of something they tend to ever so slightly........... exaggerate.

To go back to another post of mine.........
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does anyone honestly believe that they would have paid them big money unless it was there to be paid.
.............you have to realise that whatever they are/were being paid, then they (the company) had to be able to afford it otherwise they would not have given it.

My bet is that the company figures have been manipulated to show big losses, because as far as I can see the Petroleum Industry is doing very nicely! so what has changed so much that they are apparently losing 10 mil per month? for sure it is not the wages as they have been accounted for & for sure those tw&ts at the top will not be taking a sizeable drop in their remuneration. The kind of money that they are dealing in is probably similar to the "Banks"...........a loss one minute - big bucks the next. The losers! Oh that's right, it will be the workforce..............three guesses as to who the winners are!!!!!

Remember their remuneration was negotiated and the company gave what they could afford - to go down the route of closing a company of that size without even mentioning redundancies in the first instance is unprecedented - to open it straight back up having beat everyone with a big stick...........tells me there is still big/VERY big profits to be made.

If there has been a change in demand for their product and they are doing less in production.........then leadership should come from the very top "We are all in this together" rings a bell. The bosses at the top of the tree should be leading by example and reducing their own package - but I guess that will not happen any time soon.


They are certainly well-paid for what they do and their shift patterns are by no means onerous. Ineos really isn't the sadistic Victorian mill owner that Unite would like to portray it as.


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This article was bound to surface..........

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/gr ... es-2644225

For all of his riches I do not begrudge him a single penny as he has created well paid jobs for every day people, and done very nicely for himself. Having said that how in h e l l s name does one get hold of tax payers money for loans that he could apparently facilitate for himself, with all of the money that he has - he could loan to the U.K.

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Its a pretty lame argument to keep the tory mantra of" look who got us into this mess".

It's not a mantra, it's a fact.

Gordon Brown and his mate Ed Balls where just two of the New Labour mob who tarted themselves around the city recommending the city come up with new ways to make money. I remember the speech, it's on youtube somewhere.

But it's not just those politicians and those banks that are at fault, it's the millions of people who took out loans they could never repay, including 110% mortgages.

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