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There is more than one way to enslave people. You may think that when things are de-restricted you will have choices but you will only have the same choices except the responsibility of the vehicle will be yours

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Apparently in certain establishments some people pay good money to be a slave :shock:

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A new National Legislation needs to be implemented with proposals from the Trade on the best way forward. One Act !!!! and be rid of all the antiquated drivel that Courts and LA's struggle to understand then, bend to their own advantage.. :-k
. We need a united form of restriction a form of restriction that all LAs can sing from the same song sheet? My idea is similar to the Franchise model meets the New York way!!! LAs should charge a new apps fee of 40 grand but not to existing plate holders, LAs should then charge a plate transfer fee of 1500 quid to any plate holder who wants to transfer their plate to another. In a franchise you can pay thousands of pounds for that franchise and depending on exclusivity of an area, the franchisee can sell his franchise on for profit. With my idea existing plate holders would trade below the LAs 40grand mark, so if I invest 40grand and it doesn't work out or he gets ill ect, surely he has the right to get his investment back! If it works out and the investor retires surely he is entitled also to either get his money back or make a wee profit. My idea self restricts the market any other demand for plates the LAs allocate subject to demand. 40grand is just a figure but based on the current Edinburgh value

Dougie if you want your investment :roll: back.
sell up,cause you don't have much time left.
if your happy with what you have then keep on working.

stop trying to get the government to act as guarantor on your investment it ain't gonna happen.

do ever look at what you write

charge everyone except Dougie,seriously you need to give yourself a shake your on a different planet.


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No, you never do tell us what you support, do you?

Now why exactly is that?

Restricted numbers goes hand in hand with plate values, barons, carpetbaggers, profiteering, low drivers incomes and drivers in debt.
Do you support the following:

1 Allowing any Tom, Dick or Harry to buy/sell taxi licences?
2 Denying drivers the right to be truly self employed and keeping them dependant on owners for their living?
3 Low driver entry criteria?
4 High plate values and high rental costs.

Simple yes or no answers will do, but feel free to elaborate.
I suspect you will avoid answering.
If I'm wrong, here's your chance to tell us.


I think I do tell people, but your ears are only open when it suits you.

I didnt get an answer why you were so anti restriction.....was it a story involving a partnership and you were sh*fted? :D

What is needed is a balance between supply and demand....the deregulation experiment has been an abject failure everywhere it goes.

Or do you get off on taxi drivers not earning enough money to feed their family?

If a plate achieves a value and the customer gets a decent service because of it, then in my view the value of a plate is irrelevent.

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You don't debate your views CC - you just rubbish any contrary view.
You don't answer awkward questions. You cover your lack of an answer by rubbishing the question or the person asking it.

Leaving aside your failure to answer - which is most definitely not unusual, I will endulge your fishing trip.

No, no failed partnership [-X

It's really quite simple CC - I was that driver with no choice but to rent.
I watched others get fat on my efforts whilst spending their time crawling up council backsides to protect their unearned incomes.
Always the same story - restricted numbers is good for the trade. What they really mean is restricted numbers is a nice little earner for them.
When the cap was lifted here, I didn't forget where I came from - unlike some who want to slam the door now they are in.

The rest of what you say is just plain wrong.

You give us the spectre of drivers gettting in debt. We already have that when drivers are remortgaging their homes to buy a council licence and then having to finance a motor on top.
Is this is what you want?

Poverty is hardly helped by paying over the odds for a rental.
Where's the job security in a drive that can be taken away on an owner's whim?
This in many cases is just a way of employing drivers without any of the legal protection afforded to any other employee.
Is this is what you want?

You question my motives CC, but what are yours?

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You question my motives CC, but what are yours?


Without reading what you wrote, peace in our time I guess 8)

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Frank Lay wrote:
Gary,

If you consider yourself to be a slave, thats your problem.
But I can tell you for sure that you are not, you can stop driving taxis anytime you wish.
Edinburgh city private hire would surely rent you a skoda, you would probably get a good deal after all the rubbish you have been spouting on their behalf.

You are just [edited by admin] off because you sold your plates before the prices shot up.
And now you hate to think of someone doing the same as you did, but getting more cash.
You are a hypocrite.



Whether I sold out or not is of no relevance to the fundamental principle of the argument. A qualified driver has earned the right of unfettered access to the tools of his trade. I played the game by your rules Frank. I sold a job, not a business. You are the one trying to apply morality to a system that has none.

I merely tell you how it is.

A license plate is a personal chattel by right and choice, contrary to a real saleable business entity with intrinsic value.


If anyone is a hypocrite Frank, it's you.

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What Frank fails to understand is that if there was real freedom of licences then many would have left the trade while business is slow knowing they could return when it picks up.

That would have made it easier on those who don't have the option.

That's the real value of market forces.

By assigning a false plate value coupled with the difficulty to re-enter the trade, the status quo cements over supply into the system. The ststus quo increses the pain.

Primary 7 economis.


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1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them.

2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods.

3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety.

4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires.

5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive.

6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for.

7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off.

8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment.

9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law.

10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers.


1. You could argue that this is the case with De-restriction as companies leasing Taxi's and radio's will crop up, charging drivers roughly the same amount as a current rental. Skull has said it himself that when Edinburgh De-restricts he will be quite happy to lease a Taxi from Mc auley, £200 per week he quoted and :D to do so :lol:

2. This could and most probably will be the case in your De-restricted world except the Standard of driver will be much lower and probably a majority will eh no understande englisheh eusasmiles.zip

3. Well number 3 is self explanatory!!! its bad enough the now but in a De-restricted market god help us how many hours we would need :cry: Aye graft in deed taylor i might need eye openers to keep my eyes open the number of hours i'll need to work :cry:

4. De-restriction will kill the market 24 hours a day, all that will happen is the professionalism will go right out the window and an increase in public disorder offences will increase BETWEEN taxi drivers as we all start fighting each other for the bread crumbs De-restriction will cause :cry:

5. This is Taylors game opening the door for companies like Ecph to lease Taxi's and radio's and on their terms TAKE it or LEAVE it, aye the result of de-restriction :cry:

6.Poor service my a-hole, de-restriction will drive down the service beyond repair, illegal driver numbers will increase 10 fold, the trade will become un-policable, Enterprise!!! De-restriction will take the enterprise factor right out the game as companies like ecph will TELL (dictate) there drivers what they charge, TAKE it or Leave it, example, Airport job yours if you accept 30% less than the market value :lol:

7. No different to what will be charged by companies leasing Taxi and radio, but the downside 30% cheaper fares, How the public are being ripped off by the value of rental is beyond me :?

8. Under De-restriction companies like ecph will yeild massivley more control, the trade at the moment is controlled by the INDIVIDUAL you can't get more control than that :D

9. All is fair in LAW and public transport we cannot have one controlling over another, there is nothing wrong with regulation that protects all forms of public transport of which keeps the market competition based, A de-restricted Taxi trade would massivley put public safety at more risk than less :)

10. High rentals have nothing to do with the Tarrif, the cost of Taxi's and their maintainance does, high rentals are a result of greed but are agreed by driver so the driver has CHOICE on wether to accept or not, de-restriction will lead to a take it or leave it attitude by controlling companies like Ecph, as they already do :cry:

Now Jim i don't take pills or any kind of medication to counter your mission of which the sole aim is to destroy a perfectly good Edinburgh trade. I will continue to tout my idea for a much higher new application fee to stop the real carpet baggers, i don't mind a level of de-restriction but we need a form of self restriction before total de-restriction, investment is good for our trade it gives us committed investors to provide the best service possible and thats from customer to Taxi.

You will be and alway's will be a man who missed out on the opertunity to operate his own cab, c'mon how much rental have you paid over the years? commercially aware my a-s :lol:

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Skull wrote:
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Gary,

If you consider yourself to be a slave, thats your problem.
But I can tell you for sure that you are not, you can stop driving taxis anytime you wish.
Edinburgh city private hire would surely rent you a skoda, you would probably get a good deal after all the rubbish you have been spouting on their behalf.

You are just [edited by admin] off because you sold your plates before the prices shot up.
And now you hate to think of someone doing the same as you did, but getting more cash.
You are a hypocrite.



Whether I sold out or not is of no relevance to the fundamental principle of the argument. A qualified driver has earned the right of unfettered access to the tools of his trade. I played the game by your rules Frank. I sold a job, not a business. You are the one trying to apply morality to a system that has none.

I merely tell you how it is.

A license plate is a personal chattel by right and choice, contrary to a real saleable business entity with intrinsic value.


If anyone is a hypocrite Frank, it's you.

Unfettered access to a PHC gary go on its yours if you want it :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Dougie why would any one pay anyone else £200 if they could simply run their own cab for well almost nothing.
or rent if they want

the key word is choice

right now there ain't any


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ALI T wrote:
Dougie why would any one pay anyone else £200 if they could simply run their own cab for well almost nothing.
or rent if they want

the key word is choice

right now there ain't any



The sad thing is, Dougie actually thinks his comments are clever. :roll:

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ALI T wrote:
Dougie why would any one pay anyone else £200 if they could simply run their own cab for well almost nothing.
or rent if they want

the key word is choice

right now there ain't any

Patons have been leasing Taxi's too owners for years, Ian Taylor p172 for one :lol: Maybe you should ask him and the many others that do :lol: :lol:

Choice!!! compare my response to Jims post and EHHH you'll find your currently better off for CHOICE the way it is :wink: :wink:

What a response to my post, the pair of you make me :lol: :lol:

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Come out come out
wherever you are
your game is up the pole :lol: :lol:

I'm waiting on your response Jimmy boy (old man really) :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Private Reggie wrote:
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1. It degrades drivers - enslaves them, makes them chattels of existing owners - and discriminates against them.

2. It forces drivers to work when there is little demand, clogging up ranks during quiet periods.

3. It forces drivers to work longer hours, increasing tiredness and compromising public safety.

4. Tired drivers withdraw before peak period demand is satisfied, reducing service to the public encouraging them to walk the streets and/or enticing them to take chances with illegal hires.

5. Creates a power group that abuses its privileged market position to maintain discrimination against new market entrants. A complete contradiction of normal market mores and anti-competitive.

6. Stifles enterprise leading to the trade dictating a poor service to the market rather than responding to what the market needs and would pay for.

7. Delivers high rentals that translate directly into higher than necessary fares for a public being ripped off.

8. It denies drivers any real say in shaping their trade, their working environment.

9. It invests inordinate control in the council who conduct themselves as employers rather than licencers charged with ensuring public safety, and allows it to abuse its power to protect its own transport interests - not a function accorded them in Law.

10. High rentals, high fares - a bad deal for drivers and customers.


1. You could argue that this is the case with De-restriction as companies leasing Taxi's and radio's will crop up, charging drivers roughly the same amount as a current rental. Skull has said it himself that when Edinburgh De-restricts he will be quite happy to lease a Taxi from Mc auley, £200 per week he quoted and :D to do so :lol:

2. This could and most probably will be the case in your De-restricted world except the Standard of driver will be much lower and probably a majority will eh no understande englisheh eusasmiles.zip

3. Well number 3 is self explanatory!!! its bad enough the now but in a De-restricted market god help us how many hours we would need :cry: Aye graft in deed taylor i might need eye openers to keep my eyes open the number of hours i'll need to work :cry:

4. De-restriction will kill the market 24 hours a day, all that will happen is the professionalism will go right out the window and an increase in public disorder offences will increase BETWEEN taxi drivers as we all start fighting each other for the bread crumbs De-restriction will cause :cry:

5. This is Taylors game opening the door for companies like Ecph to lease Taxi's and radio's and on their terms TAKE it or LEAVE it, aye the result of de-restriction :cry:

6.Poor service my a-hole, de-restriction will drive down the service beyond repair, illegal driver numbers will increase 10 fold, the trade will become un-policable, Enterprise!!! De-restriction will take the enterprise factor right out the game as companies like ecph will TELL (dictate) there drivers what they charge, TAKE it or Leave it, example, Airport job yours if you accept 30% less than the market value :lol:

7. No different to what will be charged by companies leasing Taxi and radio, but the downside 30% cheaper fares, How the public are being ripped off by the value of rental is beyond me :?

8. Under De-restriction companies like ecph will yeild massivley more control, the trade at the moment is controlled by the INDIVIDUAL you can't get more control than that :D

9. All is fair in LAW and public transport we cannot have one controlling over another, there is nothing wrong with regulation that protects all forms of public transport of which keeps the market competition based, A de-restricted Taxi trade would massivley put public safety at more risk than less :)

10. High rentals have nothing to do with the Tarrif, the cost of Taxi's and their maintainance does, high rentals are a result of greed but are agreed by driver so the driver has CHOICE on wether to accept or not, de-restriction will lead to a take it or leave it attitude by controlling companies like Ecph, as they already do :cry:

Now Jim i don't take pills or any kind of medication to counter your mission of which the sole aim is to destroy a perfectly good Edinburgh trade. I will continue to tout my idea for a much higher new application fee to stop the real carpet baggers, i don't mind a level of de-restriction but we need a form of self restriction before total de-restriction, investment is good for our trade it gives us committed investors to provide the best service possible and thats from customer to Taxi.

You will be and alway's will be a man who missed out on the opertunity to operate his own cab, c'mon how much rental have you paid over the years? commercially aware my a-s :lol:


Just in case you missed it JT (jasbar) :lol: :lol:

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You need help Dougie. It's not like everyone doesn't know you are a complete lunatic. :roll: :shock:

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