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I must admit my plates have kept me in the lifestyle I am accustomed to, you see I dont drive myself, I have to rely on others to do that for me, but I make a living and so do they, a good one at that as well.

I have a good while before I retire, and anyhow the plates are a safe bet, something for the children, what is wrong with this.

While I am at the office I often think of those drivers out there, and the fact that my business acumen is allowing them to make their livings ( at my expense sometimes) they should think themselves lucky, if it was not for the likes of me and all the other people who scrimped and saved and went without so we could run our business in a professional manner they would be on the dole.

Now I am not saying that the drivers should not get a plate if they want one, just that they should have to pay the current market value for them, I did , and like any investment you are looking for a return, why do you find this so perplexing?


Your post looks like a bit of a troll Mr Maitland. However, like some others who see their elevated position in the trade as arising because of their 'business acumen', then this perhaps demonstrates that you don't know very much about business at all, never mind your knoweldge reaching the exalted status of 'acumen'.

What in fact you seem to be talking about is due to the parasitic nature of restricted taxi numbers, arising not from business acumen but because of the cartel operated by taxi owners and your council, and most charitably described as resulting from 'regulatory capture' or perhaps more accurately the dirty and cynical world of politics.

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lets be honest, they got it all on TDO! its amazing what you can find here.


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I must admit my plates have kept me in the lifestyle I am accustomed to, you see I dont drive myself, I have to rely on others to do that for me, but I make a living and so do they, a good one at that as well.

I have a good while before I retire, and anyhow the plates are a safe bet, something for the children, what is wrong with this.

While I am at the office I often think of those drivers out there, and the fact that my business acumen is allowing them to make their livings ( at my expense sometimes) they should think themselves lucky, if it was not for the likes of me and all the other people who scrimped and saved and went without so we could run our business in a professional manner they would be on the dole.

Now I am not saying that the drivers should not get a plate if they want one, just that they should have to pay the current market value for them, I did , and like any investment you are looking for a return, why do you find this so perplexing?

absolutely abhorent
you are the most digusting excuse for a human being i have ever come across,you make a good case for the slave trade william
as for youre children no chance mate times creeping up fast and the days of the expensive family hierloom(aka plate) will soon be a thing of the past
i think you will find youre investment going up in smoke real soon
couldnt happen to a nicer person :lol: :lol: :lol:




No chance of my plates losing there value Ali, you see the Law has not been changed Ali, you lot think that if you keep quoting what is happening in England and Wales we will think it is also applicable up here.

Dream on on Ali, the world does not owe you a thing, why dont you invest in one yourself instead of jumping through hoops of fire in the hope that you can get one for nothing.


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Well JD should three unelected individuals claim to be speaking for the majority, same goes for everyone else who claims to be representing each other, I dont subscribe to that, if someone wants to speak or act on my behalf they better make sure they have my permission.

It follows that it would be better if there was some kind of proper Drivers association, where peoples views and wishes were taken into account, what we have at the moment are a couple of opposing groups arguing vociferously with each other , and it would seem with everyone else, there is no representation, so why should anyone simply assume the role of representative.


I was trying to read between the lines in what you said in the post to which I initially responded. I got the impression you were basically asking the question, "who should represent" the Taxi trade in Edinburgh? I personally could not come up with a solution but I wondered if you could shed more light on the points you raised?

Your reply still doesn't answer the pivotal point as to whom you think should do the representing? However, I notice in your most recent reply that you state and I quote,

"It follows that it would be better if there was some kind of proper Drivers association, where peoples views and wishes were taken into account,"

Just one observation about that passage of yours? I would be interested to know when you state, "taken into account" Just who precisely would do the taking into account? Would it be the council for instance and if so, if the drivers organisation in question told the council they wanted to drive their own vehicles and the only way that can be done is through lifting quantity control, how much notice do you think the Council would take of that request?

More to the point, would the organisations representing the Edinburgh Taxi owners welcome such a request? Or would they be totally against such a request being taken into account by those who were required to take views into account?

Perhaps it is not quite as simple as you imply when you state views will be taken into account. Under those circumstances would it be right to suggest that there are certain views that will never be taken into account because the council and those who do the accounting have a policy of non negotiation on certain views.

Therefore you will always have the situation where those in power will pick and choose which views they take into account especially when those views are manifestly incompatible with their own policy.

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William Maitland wrote:
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I must admit my plates have kept me in the lifestyle I am accustomed to, you see I dont drive myself, I have to rely on others to do that for me, but I make a living and so do they, a good one at that as well.

I have a good while before I retire, and anyhow the plates are a safe bet, something for the children, what is wrong with this.

While I am at the office I often think of those drivers out there, and the fact that my business acumen is allowing them to make their livings ( at my expense sometimes) they should think themselves lucky, if it was not for the likes of me and all the other people who scrimped and saved and went without so we could run our business in a professional manner they would be on the dole.

Now I am not saying that the drivers should not get a plate if they want one, just that they should have to pay the current market value for them, I did , and like any investment you are looking for a return, why do you find this so perplexing?

absolutely abhorent
you are the most digusting excuse for a human being i have ever come across,you make a good case for the slave trade william
as for youre children no chance mate times creeping up fast and the days of the expensive family hierloom(aka plate) will soon be a thing of the past
i think you will find youre investment going up in smoke real soon
couldnt happen to a nicer person :lol: :lol: :lol:




No chance of my plates losing there value Ali, you see the Law has not been changed Ali, you lot think that if you keep quoting what is happening in England and Wales we will think it is also applicable up here.

Dream on on Ali, the world does not owe you a thing, why dont you invest in one yourself instead of jumping through hoops of fire in the hope that you can get one for nothing.



Invest in DE-restriction, so much for your business acumen and as for the law you mean the whim of the CEC don't you. Remember they DE-restricted before.

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William Maitland wrote:
No chance of my plates losing there value Ali, you see the Law has not been changed Ali, you lot think that if you keep quoting what is happening in England and Wales we will think it is also applicable up here.


The law remains the same both north and south of the border - an local authority can de-restrict at any time. At the moment it's not about the law, it's about local authority policy.

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Dream on on Ali, the world does not owe you a thing, why dont you invest in one yourself instead of jumping through hoops of fire in the hope that you can get one for nothing.


So what does the world owe to those with plates issued 'free' by CEC, and now worth £45k?

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No chance of my plates losing there value Ali, you see the Law has not been changed Ali, you lot think that if you keep quoting what is happening in England and Wales we will think it is also applicable up here.

Dream on on Ali, the world does not owe you a thing, why dont you invest in one yourself instead of jumping through hoops of fire in the hope that you can get one for nothing.


yes the law hasnt changed william perhaps you should read up a little more on the law and interprete it better
i certainly never said the world owes me a living? i work hard for a living like every other cabbie out thier, you on the other hand have stated that you do not drive a taxi,therfore it is me and people like me that do not owe you a living.
you see william you never paid for youre plates, some poor driver did,you know the ones that should be thankfull for youre business acumen :lol:
the reality is that i and others like me do not owe you a living to level you have become accustomed to.
however if you think nothing is going to change as regards plate values and derestriction in scotland,then why bother coming on here?
clearly something is worrying you imho
multiple plate ownership is one thing and i for one do not care if someone runs that type of business,however if it is to the detriment of others and they then find themselves in a position where a council will deny that person a licence of thier own while allowing certain people to have multiple licences and never even drive a taxi in the first place,with little prospect of them ever getting a licence as none are ever handed back and reissued,
then clearly i will do everthing i can to change that position.


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Of course, the stock answer to my latter point above is that plates have been paid for by current owners, which is a truism to some extent, but if someone has paid £10k for a plate now worth £50k (say), then there's little difference from someone having gotten a freebie from the council.

However, since it's not that long ago since plates were freely available in Edinburgh, has anyone any idea how many plates are still utilised by the person receiving the 'free' plate.

And as regards bought plates, how many have been bought for various sums eg how many for less than £10k, how many for £10-20k etc?

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multiple plate ownership is one thing and i for one do not care if someone runs that type of business,however if it is to the detriment of others and they then find themselves in a position where a council will deny that person a licence of thier own while allowing certain people to have multiple licences and never even drive a taxi in the first place,with little prospect of them ever getting a licence as none are ever handed back and reissued,


Sounds just like the 'blatant exploitation by a cartel of owners' described by the unions in New York. :?

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Indeed for those who want to dabble in the risky business of bringing about change to other peoples lives, I would urge you to think carefully about getting involved in things without consulting the people involved, it is a legal right, and I for one wont hesitate to use it if I need to, April the 6th was a good day!

what you fail to grasp here william is that i and many other drivers are willing to take the risk of changing our own working lives and we would have the most to lose if things went tits up.
we are consulting with the people involved the drivers as for legal rights well you could always go out and try driving youre taxi's when derestriction calls, or get the wife and kids to drive one each,not a bad idea then youre wife and kids would be thankfull that you provide them with a living,or they could go get thier own plate :lol:


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Indeed for those who want to dabble in the risky business of bringing about change to other peoples lives, I would urge you to think carefully about getting involved in things without consulting the people involved, it is a legal right, and I for one wont hesitate to use it if I need to, April the 6th was a good day!

what you fail to grasp here william is that i and many other drivers are willing to take the risk of changing our own working lives and we would have the most to lose if things went tits up.
we are consulting with the people involved the drivers as for legal rights well you could always go out and try driving youre taxi's when derestriction calls, or get the wife and kids to drive one each,not a bad idea then youre wife and kids would be thankfull that you provide them with a living,or they could go get thier own plate :lol:



Ali be quite clear in your own mind here, you are not consulting with anyone! apart from your own clique, tell us who you have consulted with?


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ALi as I recall Skull applied for six Plates, who was going to drive for him?

Oh thats right he was going to auction them, or get other people to drive for him cause he coud not do it himself.


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William Maitland wrote:
ALi as I recall Skull applied for six Plates, who was going to drive for him?

Oh thats right he was going to auction them, or get other people to drive for him cause he coud not do it himself.



No William, you have it wrong again. What I said right at the start of all this is "I would do whatever the circumstances dictated at the time" I have also maintained that if the Edinburgh Taxi Fleet want to take control of their own trade I am all for it and that includes the drivers.


Have you forgot about the Ph doubling over the last 3 years. How can anyone seriously expect a driver to pay an inflated plate premium under these conditions. A driver has as much right to a licence as anyone driving a Ph. We are not all here to protect your over inflated status in life you sad arrogant little man.


You have got to be kidding!

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"You have got to be kidding!" :-k


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No chance of my plates losing there value Ali, you see the Law has not been changed Ali, you lot think that if you keep quoting what is happening in England and Wales we will think it is also applicable up here.

Another driver, or ex one, that should read the Dublin court case.

When someone takes this issue to Europe, then it wont matter what the iffy folk on your council think. They will na have a say. :wink:

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