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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:30 pm 
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Yes, like part-time PH drivers who treat the trade as their third/fourth income.

Just think, if all these part-timers buggered off the full-timers might just be able to earn a decent living


You're only right wouldn't it be nice if they took a leaf out of my book and took a break until things improved or until they were back in the mindset to go back full time :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:32 pm 
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Well that's not very scientific, so would you care to withdraw?

Oh, I forgot, it's all a joke with you Toots, ha ha, good one, I've just wasted ten minutes on this response when it's all just a wind up a la Captain Cab.

Nice one, you got me there!!


You're being childish again, grow up :roll: :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:46 pm 
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Probably, but in the vast majority of cases the plate is attached to a vehicle, and the driver is hiring both. The plate rental element only arises because of restricted numbers.


So the driver gets to hire a plated vehicle for £150 per week, sounds pretty good to me. You can't buy a decent taxi and maintain it for that amount of money and on the plus side if you get fed up or another job you can just leave. There's pros and cons for both arguements


Have to wonder how the plateholder can afford to do this if the driver can't?


IIRC, wasn't there a situation where some plates changed hands through the courts in York, because the plates were rented and put on the hirers' cabs?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:48 pm 
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wasn't there a situation where some plates changed hands through the courts in York, because the plates were rented and put on the hirers' cabs?



A situation that amazes me......and it continues to happen in some areas.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:40 pm 
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I suggested that you don't have a theory that I understand and from this comment you still don't. However I never suggested that if you have higher standards for drivers you would have higher vehicle standards....


No, I said YOU suggested that was MY theory.


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...thats always been the cry of the derestrictor with their ideas of opening up the market....


That higher standards for drivers would lead to higher vehicle standards?

Can't recall anyone ever suggesting that, in the UK context at least.

And it certainly wasn't me.

Could you provide a source?

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....to create competition and force drivers to compete and that'll mean all the sheds will go out of business and that imo is a load of boll*x


Yes, at least we can agree with that, but you seem to be misrepresenting the position of myself and others on this point, so could you provide evidence to substantiate your point, either from on here or elsewhere?

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If people want the market opened up at least be honest about the reasons...


Well I'll resist the temptation to say that you're actually the one acting in bad faith here and claiming that people's position on these matters is other than it actually is, but let's be charitable and assume that you haven't being paying sufficient attention. :D

Of course, if you can provide a source for your claim then I'll quite happily concede the point.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:46 pm 
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So the driver gets to hire a plated vehicle for £150 per week, sounds pretty good to me. You can't buy a decent taxi and maintain it for that amount of money and on the plus side if you get fed up or another job you can just leave. There's pros and cons for both arguements


So where does this £150 per week figure come from Toots, did you just make it up?

I suspect you're talking three times that for an exclusive saloon rental in the likes of Brighton.

How much would it cost the driver to run his own vehicle?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:07 pm 
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My point was that public money is unlikely to be spent to provide a taxi service if it's oversubscribed (as you keep on claiming).


Why not, they do it for buses


Well as far as I'm aware the tendency is to subsidise buses where they wouldn't otherwise provide a service, not where there's an oversupply waiting to provide the service without subsidy.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:09 pm 
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toots wrote:
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Well that's not very scientific, so would you care to withdraw?

Oh, I forgot, it's all a joke with you Toots, ha ha, good one, I've just wasted ten minutes on this response when it's all just a wind up a la Captain Cab.

Nice one, you got me there!!


You're being childish again, grow up :roll: :wink:


Yes, this forum is just full of mature and sensible adults having a highly civilised debate, isn't it? :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:29 pm 
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By the way Toots, you don't really say to the authorities that taxi drivers like yourself who have serveral other sources of income and just use the trade as a top-up should receive a public subsidy? :lol:

Yes, I can just see taxpayers salivating at the thought of that one :D


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:17 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
toots wrote:
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My point was that public money is unlikely to be spent to provide a taxi service if it's oversubscribed (as you keep on claiming).


Why not, they do it for buses


Well as far as I'm aware the tendency is to subsidise buses where they wouldn't otherwise provide a service, not where there's an oversupply waiting to provide the service without subsidy.

for somebody that knows everything... you seemed to know surprisingly little... the government is clamping down on bus companies and their subsidies.... the average run in Sefton carried five-and-a-half people........ so let's say... a taxi bus was taken on a contract route of 15 miles. being paid one pound 50 per mile... so it goes out and returns 30 mile in total... £45 .... it provides this service eight-times a day... would it be making money.... but more importantly how much would be saved

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:13 pm 
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for somebody that knows everything... you seemed to know surprisingly little...


Well I could be a tad insulting here, but I'll leave the gratuitious insults to you :D

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the government is clamping down on bus companies and their subsidies.... the average run in Sefton carried five-and-a-half people........


Are you arguing in support of me or against me?


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so let's say... a taxi bus was taken on a contract route of 15 miles. being paid one pound 50 per mile... so it goes out and returns 30 mile in total... £45 .... it provides this service eight-times a day... would it be making money.... but more importantly how much would be saved


How would I know without proper figures?

But if you're arguing in favour of specific targetted subsidies then you seem to be missing the point a bit, because Toots was making the case for more general subsidies.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:47 pm 
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MR T wrote:
for somebody that knows everything... you seemed to know surprisingly little...


Well I could be a tad insulting here, but I'll leave the gratuitious insults to you :D

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the government is clamping down on bus companies and their subsidies.... the average run in Sefton carried five-and-a-half people........


Are you arguing in support of me or against me?


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so let's say... a taxi bus was taken on a contract route of 15 miles. being paid one pound 50 per mile... so it goes out and returns 30 mile in total... £45 .... it provides this service eight-times a day... would it be making money.... but more importantly how much would be saved


How would I know without proper figures?
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So you're a member of the taxi trade.. But are unable to answer whether or not .. it would make a profit at one pound 50 per mile... 360 pound a day.... and your a taxi driver....

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Or is he ? Maybe hes what we allready know.....


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So you're a member of the taxi trade.. But are unable to answer whether or not .. it would make a profit at one pound 50 per mile... 360 pound a day.... and your a taxi driver....


Yes, well that bit was self-evident, so I didn't think it needed a response - your question seemed rhetorical.

It was the latter bit I was actually responding to - "How much would be saved"?

Of course the driver would be making a fortune @ 1.50 a mile for 240 miles.

If I got 100 miles a day @1.50 per mile I'd be cock-a-hoop, even with another 100 miles dead to get back home \:D/


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Or is he ? Maybe hes what we allready know.....

His name is really Olga and he drives a big HGV

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