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 Post subject: Transport bill made law
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Title Local Transport Bill (Bill No.1)

Introduced By Lord Bassam of Brighton

Status Public (Government Bill) (HL)

Session 2007-08

Commons 1st 31/1/2008


HC Bill No.67: [Original Full Text as introduced in the Commons 31/1/2008] in .pdf format http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 008067.pdf

HC Bill No.67: [Explanatory Notes] in .pdf format http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 8067en.pdf

Commons 2nd 26/3/2008

Committee Stage Committed to a Public Bill Committee 26/3/2008

22/4/2008, 24/4/2008, 29/4/2008, 6/5/2008, 27/10/2008

HC Bill No.67: considered

HC Bill No.67: [Amendment Paper as at 17 April 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... a.3-7.html

HC Bill No.67: [Amendment Paper as at 22 April 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 71-77.html

HC Bill No.67: [Amendment Paper as at 22 April 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 5-116.html

HC Bill No.106: [Full Text as amended at Committee Stage on 8 May 2008] in .pdf format http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 008106.pdf

8/5/2008
HC Bill No.106: Bill amended at Committee Stage
Commons 3rd [Amendment Paper as at October 27 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... -3401.html

27/10/2008
HC Bill No.106: Bill amended at 3rd Reading
Lords 1st 7/11/2007

HL Bill No.1: [Original Full Text as introduced 7 November 2007] in .pdf format http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 008001.pdf

HL Bill No.1: [Explanatory Notes] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... ex_001.htm


Lords 2nd 20/11/2007
Committee Stage Committed to a Grand Committee 20/11/2007

Report from Select Committee published 21/11/2007

6/12/2007, 12/12/2007, 17/12/2007
HL Bill No.1: Bill considered

HL Bill No.1: [Amendment Paper as at 30 November 2007] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... m001-a.htm

HL Bill No.1: [Amendment Paper as at 3 December 2007] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... m001-b.htm

HL Bill No.1: [Marshalled List of Amendments to be moved in Grand Committee as at 5 December 2007] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... l001-i.htm

HL Bill No.1: [Revised Marshalled List of Amendments to be moved in Grand Committee as at 5 December 2007] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 001-ir.htm

HL Bill No.1: [Amendment to be moved in Grand Committee Supplementary to the Marshalled List as at 7 December 2007]

HL Bill No.1: [Second Marshalled List of Amendments to be moved in Grand Committee as at 10 December 2007] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 01-ira.htm

HL Bill No.1: [Revised Second Marshalled List of Amendments to be moved in Grand Committee as at 11 December 2007] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 01-iir.htm

HL Bill No.1: [Third Marshalled List of Amendments to be moved in Grand Committee as at 13 December 2007] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 01-iii.htm

HL Bill No.1: [Revised Third Marshalled List of Amendments to be moved in Grand Committee as at 14 December 2007] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 1-iiir.htm

HL Bill No.1: [Revised Third Marshalled List of Amendments to be moved in Grand Committee as at 17 December 2007] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 1-iiir.htm

HL Bill No.15: [Full Text as amended in Grand Committee as at 17/12/2007] in .pdf format http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 008015.pdf

17/12/2007
HL Bill No.15: Bill amended at Committee Stage
Report Stage HL Bill No.15: [Amendment Paper as at 9 January 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... m015-a.htm

HL Bill No.15: [Amendment Paper as at 10 January 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... m015-b.htm

HL Bill No.15: [Amendment Paper as at 15 January 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... l015-i.htm

HL Bill No.15: [Amendment Paper as at 16 January 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 015-ir.htm

16/1/2008
HL Bill No.19: Bill amended at Report Stage
Lords 3rd 30/1/2008

HL Bill No.19: [Amendment Paper as at 23 January 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... m019-a.htm

HL Bill No.19: [Amendment paper as at 29 January 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... l019-i.htm

Consideration HC Bill No.85: [Amendment Paper as at 12 November 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... m085-b.htm

HC Bill No.85: [Amendment Paper as at 18 November 2008] http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... l085-i.htm

18/11/2008

HC Bill No.85: Bill passed

Summary A Bill to make further provision in relation to local transport authorities, the provision and regulation of road transport services and the subsidising of passenger transport services; to amend sections 74, 75 and 79 of the Transport Act 1985; to make provision for or in relation to committees which represent the interests of users of public transport; to rename the Passenger Transport Authorities as Integrated Transport Authorities and to make further provision in relation to them; to make further provision in relation to charging for the use of roads; to make provision in relation to the acquisition, disclosure and use of information relating to vehicles registered outside the United Kingdom; and for connected purposes.

Comments Royal Assent 26/11/2008.


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AS I PREDICTED MANY MOONS AGO PRIVATE HIRE CAN NOW OPERATE A LOCAL BUS SERVICE UNDER THIS ACT.

So go out and buy an 8 seater that the council will license and work the most lucrative routes in your area. Don't forget to pack the bus stops like big buses do. Don't forget you can also apply for a bus route starting from outside a night club if the location is appropriate.

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JD wrote:
AS I PREDICTED MANY MOONS AGO PRIVATE HIRE CAN NOW OPERATE A LOCAL BUS SERVICE UNDER THIS ACT.

So go out and buy an 8 seater that the council will license and work the most lucrative routes in your area. Don't forget to pack the bus stops like big buses do. Don't forget you can also apply for a bus route starting from outside a night club if the location is appropriate.

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I had better get my limos on a bus route then. :mrgreen:

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Well you could charge above the odds for a limo ride. Ten pounds per passenger for a four or five mile journey, it sounds a money spinner to me if you can keep the riff raff out?

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There is an interesting reference in section 51 regarding wheelchair accessibility which is not obviously apperant but it could be the death knell for the turning circle.

51 Carrying of passengers in wheelchairs: supplementary provisions
(1) The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (c. 50) is amended as follows.


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[quote="JD"]There is an interesting reference in section 51 regarding wheelchair accessibility which is not obviously apperant but it could be the death knell for the turning circle.

51 Carrying of passengers in wheelchairs: supplementary provisions
(1) The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (c. 50) is amended as follows.


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48 Use of private hire vehicles to provide local services
(1) Section 12 of the TA 1985 (use of taxis in providing local services) is amended
as follows.
(2) In subsection (1) (application by holder of taxi licence for special licence to
provide local service by means of licensed taxis)—
(a) after “a taxi licence” insert “or a private hire vehicle licence”;
(b) in paragraph (b) after “licensed taxis” insert “or licensed hire cars”.
(3) In subsection (5)—
(a) after “a taxi licence” insert “or a private hire vehicle licence”;
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(b) for “the taxi licence of the vehicle in question” substitute “the relevant
licence for that vehicle”.
(4) In subsection (7) for “taxi licences” substitute “relevant licences”.
(5) In subsection (8) after “a licensed taxi” insert “or a licensed hire car”.
(6) In subsection (9) after “a licensed taxi” insert “or a licensed hire car”.
(7) In subsection (10) for the words from “Such provisions” to “being so used;”
substitute “At any time when a licensed taxi or a licensed hire car is being so
used the prescribed provisions of the taxi code or, as the case may be, the hire
car code shall apply in relation to it;”.
(8) After subsection (10) insert—
“(10A) In subsections (9) and (10) “prescribed” means prescribed by the
appropriate authority.”.
(9) In consequence of the amendments made by this section, in the heading to
section 12 after “taxis” there is inserted “or hire cars”.
49 Application of certain provisions about taxis and hire cars to London
(1) Section 13 of the TA 1985 (provisions supplementary to sections 10 to 12) is
amended as follows.
(2) In subsection (1) (power to modify codes for purposes of sections 10 to 12)—
(a) for “The Secretary of State” substitute “The appropriate authority”;
(b) for “he” substitute “it”.
(3) Subsection (3) (interpretation of terms used in sections 10 to 12) is amended as
follows.
(4) Before the definition of “licensed taxi” insert the following definition—
““the appropriate authority” means—
(a) in relation to—
(i) a taxi licensed under section 37 of the Town Police
Clauses Act 1847 or any similar enactment which
applies outside the London taxi area,
(ii) a licensed hire car licensed under section 48 of the Local
Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976, or
(iii) a taxi or private hire car licensed under section 10 of the
Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982,
the Secretary of State;
(b) in relation to—
(i) a taxi licensed under section 6 of the Metropolitan Public
Carriage Act 1869, or
(ii) a licensed hire car licensed under section 7 of the Private
Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998,
Transport for London;”.
(5) For the definition of “licensed hire car” substitute—
““licensed hire car” means—
(a) in England and Wales—
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(i) for the purposes of section 11 of this Act, a
vehicle licensed under section 48 of the Local
Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act
1976 or section 7 of the Private Hire Vehicles
(London) Act 1998,
(ii) for the purposes of section 12 of this Act, a
vehicle licensed under section 48 of the Local
Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act
1976;
(b) in Scotland, a private hire car licensed under section 10
of the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982;”.
(6) After the definition of “taxi licence” insert—
““relevant licence” means—
(a) in relation to a licensed taxi, a taxi licence, and
(b) in relation to a licensed hire car, a private hire vehicle
licence;
“private hire vehicle licence” means—
(a) in England and Wales, a licence under section 48 of the
Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976;
(b) in Scotland, a private hire car licence under section 10 of
the Civic Government (Scotland) Act 1982.”.
(7) In the definition of “hire car code”, after “used as mentioned in section 11”
insert “or 12”.
(8) After section 13 of the TA 1985 insert—
“13A Application of sections 10 to 13 to London
(1) Transport for London may by order provide that section 12 of this Act
is to apply to vehicles licensed under section 7 of the Private Hire
Vehicles (London) Act 1998 as it applies to vehicles licensed under
section 48 of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act
1976.
(2) An order under subsection (1) of this section may amend the definitions
of “licensed hire car” and “private hire vehicle licence” in section 13 of
this Act accordingly.
(3) Transport for London must consult such representative organisations
as it thinks fit before making—
(a) regulations under section 12(9) or (10) of this Act;
(b) an order under section 13(1) of this Act or subsection (1) of this
section.
(4) Any power of Transport for London to make—
(a) regulations under section 12(9) or (10) of this Act, or
(b) an order under section 13(1) of this Act,
includes a power to vary or revoke any previous such regulations or
order (as the case may be).
(5) Subsection (4) applies notwithstanding that the previous regulations
were made, or the previous order was made, by the Secretary of State
by statutory instrument.
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(6) Transport for London must print and publish—
(a) any regulations made by it under section 12(9) or (10) of this
Act;
(b) any order made by it under section 13(1) of this Act or
subsection (1) of this section.
(7) Transport for London may charge a fee for the sale of copies of any
regulations, or any order, printed under subsection (6).”.
50 Carrying of passengers in wheelchairs in vehicles providing local services
(1) Section 36 of the Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (c. 50) (carrying of
passengers in wheelchairs) is amended as follows.
(2) In subsection (1)(b) for “taxi” substitute “vehicle”.
(3) After subsection (1) insert—
“(1A) This section also imposes duties on the driver of a designated vehicle
other than a regulated taxi if—
(a) the designated vehicle is being used to provide a local service
(within the meaning of section 2 of the Transport Act 1985), and
(b) a person falling within paragraph (a) or (b) of subsection (1) has
indicated to the driver that he wishes to travel on the service.”.
(4) In each of subsections (2), (3) and (4) for “taxi” (wherever occurring) substitute
“vehicle”.
(5) In subsection (5) after “a regulated taxi” insert “or designated vehicle”.
(6) In subsection (6)—
(a) after “at the time of the alleged offence” insert—
“(a) in the case of a regulated taxi,”;
(b) after “it was required to conform,” insert—
“(b) in the case of a designated vehicle, the vehicle
conformed to the accessibility requirements which
applied to it,”;
(c) for the word “taxi” (in the last place where it appears) substitute
“vehicle”.
(7) After subsection (9) insert—
“(10) The driver of a designated vehicle is exempt from the duties imposed
by this section if—
(a) a certificate of exemption issued to him under this section is in
force; and
(b) he is carrying the certificate on the vehicle.
(11) The driver of a designated vehicle who is exempt under subsection (10)
must show the certificate, on request, to a person falling within
paragraph (a) or (b) of subsection (1).”.
(8) After subsection (11) insert—
“(12) In this section—
“designated vehicle” means a vehicle which appears on a list
maintained under section 36A;
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“licensing authority” has the meaning given by section 36A.”.
51 Carrying of passengers in wheelchairs: supplementary provisions
(1) The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (c. 50) is amended as follows.
(2) After section 36 insert—
“36A List of wheelchair-accessible vehicles providing local services
(1) A licensing authority may maintain a list of vehicles falling within
subsection (2).
(2) A vehicle falls within this subsection if—
(a) it is either a taxi or a private hire vehicle,
(b) it is being used or is to be used by the holder of a special licence
under that licence, and
(c) it conforms to such accessibility requirements as the licensing
authority thinks fit.
(3) “Accessibility requirements” are any requirements for the purpose of
securing that it is possible for disabled persons in wheelchairs—
(a) to get into and out of vehicles in safety, or to be conveyed in
safety into and out of vehicles while remaining in their
wheelchairs; and
(b) to be carried in vehicles in safety and reasonable comfort
(whether or not they wish to remain in their wheelchairs).
(4) The Secretary of State may issue guidance to licensing authorities as
to—
(a) the accessibility requirements which they should apply for the
purposes of this section;
(b) any other aspect of their functions under or by virtue of this
section.
(5) A licensing authority which maintains a list under subsection (1) must
have regard to any guidance issued under subsection (4).
(6) In this section—
“licensing authority”, in relation to any area, means the authority
responsible for licensing taxis or, as the case may be, private
hire vehicles in that area;
“private hire vehicle” means—
(a) a vehicle licensed under section 48 of the Local
Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976;
(b) a vehicle licensed under section 7 of the Private Hire
Vehicles (London) Act 1998;
(c) a vehicle licensed under an equivalent provision of a
local enactment;
(d) a private hire car licensed under section 10 of the Civic
Government (Scotland) Act 1982;
“special licence” has the meaning given by section 12 of the
Transport Act 1985 (use of taxis in providing local services);
“taxi” includes a taxi licensed under section 10 of the Civic
Government (Scotland) Act 1982.”.
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(3) Section 38 (appeal against refusal of exemption certificate) is amended as
follows.
(4) In subsection (1) after “a magistrates’ court” insert “or, in Scotland, the sheriff
court”.
(5) In subsection (2) for “this section” substitute “subsection (1)”.
(6) At the end of the section insert—
“(4) Any person who is aggrieved by the decision of a licensing authority to
include a vehicle on a list maintained under section 36A may appeal to
a magistrates’ court or, in Scotland, the sheriff court before the end of
the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the inclusion.
(5) In this section “licensing authority” has the meaning given by section
36A.”.
(7) In consequence of the amendments made by subsections (4) to (6), the heading
to section 38 becomes “Appeals”.
(8) In section 68(1) (interpretation), in the definition of “licensing authority”, for
“section 37A” substitute “sections 36, 36A, 37A and 38”.
(9) In section 70 (commencement etc) after subsection (2) insert—
“(2A) The following provisions of this Act—
(a) section 36 so far as it applies to designated vehicles,
(b) section 36A, and
(c) section 38 (which has already been brought in force in England
and Wales by an order under subsection (3)) so far as it extends
to Scotland,
come into force 2 months after the passing of the Local Transport Act
2008.”.


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OMG my head hurts. How long will it take for somebody to condense this information into some form of user friendly reading :?

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JD did in the second post of this topic.
You can use your taxi or private hire vehicle as a local bus service.

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OMG my head hurts. How long will it take for somebody to condense this information into some form of user friendly reading :?


I hope JD posts the relevant sections in English so we all can understand it
or gives a brief explanation as to why the turning circle has been scraped


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skippy41 wrote:
or gives a brief explanation as to why the turning circle has been scraped


Are you making things up again lad? :-|

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JD wrote:
There is an interesting reference in section 51 regarding wheelchair accessibility which is not obviously apperant but it could be the death knell for the turning circle.

51 Carrying of passengers in wheelchairs: supplementary provisions
(1) The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 (c. 50) is amended as follows.


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I was under the impression that all 'bus type' services had to be wheelchair accessible, is this true and is it still true

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it conforms to such accessibility requirements as the licensing authority thinks fit.


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OMG my head hurts. How long will it take for somebody to condense this information into some form of user friendly reading :?


I hope JD posts the relevant sections in English so we all can understand it
or gives a brief explanation as to why the turning circle has been scraped


Why would they scrape the turning circle skippy?

Could you give us a brief explaination as to your animosity towards purpose built taxi's when your council does not insist on them?

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He is fighting the good fight on behalf of all drivers that don't fancy the WAV prices nor their fuel economy.

And the completely pointless turning circle.

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