captain cab wrote:
“I have had problems on and off for the last six months getting cash from them.
But kept on dealing with them.
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| Author: | captain cab [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Subcontractors: Fraser Eagle ‘owes us thousands' |
Subcontractors: Fraser Eagle ‘owes us thousands' ANGRY bosses who claim they are owed thousands of pounds by Fraser Eagle have demanded administrators reveal the scale of the firm’s debt. Last week it was announced the Padiham travel business was going into administration with the loss of 120 staff. Now some subcontractors owed cash have revealed the knock-on effects the firm’s failure will have on them. And they want the total debt to be revealed so they can get an idea of whether they will get any of the cash back. Administrators Baker Tilly said it would be some time before it was clear how much could be paid out to those owed money. Mike Doyle, manager of Intaline Ltd, Derby, said his firm was owed £23,600 by Fraser Eagle. Mr Doyle oversees the company, which has 60 private hire taxis on its books and is one of the oldest firms of its kind in the Midlands. He said: “Fraser Eagle owed us a substantial amount of money and I don’t know whether we will see any of that again. “I have had problems on and off for the last six months getting cash from them. “We have been told that Baker Tilly have eight weeks to report on the company and we have to put in a statement saying what we believe we are owed. “We don’t know whether we will get the money and it is made harder because we have already paid our drivers up front for doing the work. “We have families to support and we are left fighting to get what is owed us.” Steve Holmes, owner of Holmes Group Travel, Newport, Shropshire, said he was in a similar position to other subcontractors. “We are owed just under £5,000, but we have been owed that since last November. “I’d been in touch with them before they went under and we weren’t even on the system to be paid. "It’s tough to know what to do.” |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:37 pm ] |
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As echoed in other threads....this was an accident waiting to happen....third in about 6 months...Elite and All destinations....all owe hard working cab drivers thousands. CC |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:10 pm ] |
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Quote: Subcontractors: Fraser Eagle ‘owes us thousands'
ANGRY bosses who claim they are owed thousands of pounds by Fraser Eagle have demanded administrators reveal the scale of the firm’s debt. ha! as if knowing will make a [edited by admin] of any difference, anyway, everyone owed will get the full details soon, and the letter saying the IP cant find enough to pay themselves never mind the creditors... |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:16 pm ] |
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wannabeeahack wrote: Quote: Subcontractors: Fraser Eagle ‘owes us thousands' ANGRY bosses who claim they are owed thousands of pounds by Fraser Eagle have demanded administrators reveal the scale of the firm’s debt. ha! as if knowing will make a [edited by admin] of any difference, anyway, everyone owed will get the full details soon, and the letter saying the IP cant find enough to pay themselves never mind the creditors... Join the queue.....I think our firm are owed £10K by these shysters......we were lucky at the start of Feb it was £30K. CC |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:30 pm ] |
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i will now only grant a maximum of £250 credit to any customer after the first 90 days trading during which i require a pro-forma cheque with order, the credit limit once reached is an automatic "stop" on the account till cleared. the only exception would be a goverment/local goverment account who probably are good for the money (education dept/NHS,etc) everyone else pays cash (or paypal) or walks as far as im concerned when i had a ltd company go bump on me the recievers contacted ME for info as to where i thought the money had gone! FFS |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Subcontractors: Fraser Eagle ‘owes us thousands' |
captain cab wrote: “I have had problems on and off for the last six months getting cash from them.
But kept on dealing with them.
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| Author: | Sussex [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:11 pm ] |
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captain cab wrote: As echoed in other threads....this was an accident waiting to happen....third in about 6 months...Elite and All destinations....all owe hard working cab drivers thousands.
Maybe some firms might now realise there's no value in working for third-parties. I bet the rail companies can't believe their luck. They screw drivers for plying permits, and then mug them off by using a firm such as FE. 
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| Author: | MR T [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:16 pm ] |
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As Fraser evil where the middle men... I think I would be submitting invoices to the people who were paying them.... before the administrators do.... |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:17 pm ] |
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Sussex wrote: I bet the rail companies can't believe their luck. They screw drivers for plying permits, and then mug them off by using a firm such as FE. sad but true 
CC |
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| Author: | JD [ Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:58 am ] |
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Considering Fraser eagle were acting as agents for the rail companies then I would invoice the rail companies. It will be interesting to see what type of response you get? Regards JD |
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| Author: | Stinky Pete [ Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:23 am ] |
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JD wrote: Considering Fraser eagle were acting as agents for the rail companies then I would invoice the rail companies. It will be interesting to see what type of response you get?
Regards JD http://www.frasereagle.com/ |
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| Author: | grandad [ Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:24 am ] |
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It would indeed be interesting. The scenario is that the rail company's pay FE and FE pay the cab firms. So do the cab firms have a claim against the rail company's? Another scenario. You work for someone paye and they collect your taxes and then pay them to HMCR. If they don't pay the money to HMCR does HMCR have a claim against the employee? Well as far as I am aware the answer to the second scenario is that yes HMCR does have a claim against the employee. What is the betting that the cab firms get nothing from the rail company's though? |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:03 am ] |
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JD wrote: Considering Fraser eagle were acting as agents for the rail companies then I would invoice the rail companies. It will be interesting to see what type of response you get?
Regards JD Good point JD....and if we consider that many of the TOC's told the cab firms deal with FE or else you wont get any work.....is there someform of liability? CC |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:02 am ] |
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grandad wrote: It would indeed be interesting. The scenario is that the rail company's pay FE and FE pay the cab firms. So do the cab firms have a claim against the rail company's?
Another scenario. You work for someone paye and they collect your taxes and then pay them to HMCR. If they don't pay the money to HMCR does HMCR have a claim against the employee? Well as far as I am aware the answer to the second scenario is that yes HMCR does have a claim against the employee. What is the betting that the cab firms get nothing from the rail company's though? it may be too late now Garnishee Order You can use a garnishee order to force a third party who either holds money belonging to the debtor or owes the debtor money. The garnishee order only works once at the moment it is served. If there is no money in a bank account at the time it is served then the order fails. To apply for a garnishee order you need to fill in a copy of Form N349 and send it to the court with the appropriate fee. http://www.justclaim.co.uk/index.php?page=cp8_4 Third Party Debt Order Page 1 of 8 This guidance is also available in pdf format. The aim of this guidance is to give you a general idea of the processes of Third Party Debt Orders, and cannot explain everything about court rules and procedures. If you are unsure about the procedures set out in the guidance or any procedural matters which arise once you have issued your application, ask a member of staff at any county court. If a legal issue arises you must ask help from an advice agency, law centre or a solicitor. To locate your nearest solicitor or advice agency please search the CLS directory. If you receive any payments from the defendant during the course of enforcement proceedings, you must let the court know immediately. This is especially important if payment is made before a hearing is due to take place. What is a Third Party Debt Order? A third party debt order is usually made to stop the defendant taking money out of his or her bank or building society account. The money you are owed is paid to you from the account. A third party debt order can also be sent to anyone who owes the defendant money. The organisation or person that is holding the money is referred to as the 'third party'. A third party debt order will prevent the defendant having access to the money until the court makes a decision about whether or not the money should be paid to you. In these proceedings the person who owes you the money is referred to as the 'judgment debtor'; you are referred to as the 'judgment creditor'. The money held by the third party must be held solely for the debtor. You cannot, for example, apply for a third party debt order against a joint bank account unless the judgment debt is owed by all the account holders. |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:07 am ] |
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Quote: You work for someone paye and they collect your taxes and then pay them to HMCR. If they don't pay the money to HMCR does HMCR have a claim against the employee?
Well as far as I am aware the answer to the second scenario is that yes HMCR does have a claim against the employee. What is the betting that the cab firms get nothing from the rail company's though? Not your concern as an employee, all you have to do is prove to the DSS that stoppages were made, to continue your entitlement to any benefits and eventually pension, HMRC are well able to fight thier own corner as for FE debts to any subcontractor, well, as they say.... Thats business........... (just consider it as the biggest fecking runner of all time.......) |
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