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Author:  Doom [ Fri May 29, 2009 3:08 pm ]
Post subject:  Question For ALI-T
I've been reading some other stuff on the net where you've posted up mate.


Can you confirm or deny this

You sold a cab license for 50k or thereabouts a while back?

You knew there was a chance of deregulation in your area at the time?

You've since applied for and gained another license for free?

If this is fact, you have taken someone elses money knowing it would become worthless, you've then gone and applied for another plate on free issue and plonked it on a cheap old px cab from another district, and you advocate a free and fair chance for all even though you've profited from the very thing you make a case against, is this the case or not Ali?
Author:  Sussex [ Fri May 29, 2009 4:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Question For ALI-T
Doom wrote:
If this is fact, you have taken someone elses money knowing it would become worthless, you've then gone and applied for another plate on free issue and plonked it on a cheap old px cab from another district, and you advocate a free and fair chance for all even though you've profited from the very thing you make a case against, is this the case or not Ali?

Clearly Ali T will give his own answers, but just for my record why is it wrong for those who got plates for free, and a brain to work the system, to sell plates for profit, and right for everyone else including those that have never driven a cab? :?
Author:  Doom [ Fri May 29, 2009 4:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Question For ALI-T
Sussex wrote:
Doom wrote:
If this is fact, you have taken someone elses money knowing it would become worthless, you've then gone and applied for another plate on free issue and plonked it on a cheap old px cab from another district, and you advocate a free and fair chance for all even though you've profited from the very thing you make a case against, is this the case or not Ali?

Clearly Ali T will give his own answers, but just for my record why is it wrong for those who got plates for free, and a brain to work the system, to sell plates for profit, and right for everyone else including those that have never driven a cab? :?



Because you can't advocate double standards and remain credible, if you are on the "fair deal for all" bandwagon what does conning 50k out of someone and then going in for seconds say about a person?

It says to me I'm all right Jack bugger you, anyway we'll see what he has to say when he sees this and if it's infact the same Ali I read elsewhere.
Author:  Sussex [ Fri May 29, 2009 4:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Question For ALI-T
Doom wrote:
Because you can't advocate double standards and remain credible,

But isn't that what you are doing?

I however don't want a price on any plate, and would welcome a 100% taxi quota free UK. :wink:
Author:  Doom [ Fri May 29, 2009 4:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Question For ALI-T
Sussex wrote:
Doom wrote:
Because you can't advocate double standards and remain credible,

But isn't that what you are doing?

I however don't want a price on any plate, and would welcome a 100% taxi quota free UK. :wink:



No let me clear that up, I bought a plate 12 years ago while we were deregulated, I bought to avoid the cost of a WAV which back then was either a TX or a Metro at 24k a pop, I have no intention of selling it because it is there to provide me with a job until I retire because I had a real problem with employers when I was a kid who just wanted the earth and to pay buttons, that was how I entered the cab game originally, obviously the price fluctuates and over time I could see something of a profit on it, but even so there's no reason why I shouldn't be entitled to the profit, after all it's my money that's been tied up in it all this time without interest, one thing I wouldn't do is to think I'll sell to someone and then push for deregulation, that to me is thieving isn't it, I believe the word KNOWINGLY is quite popular in a law court, my main objection to pulluing down the Berlin Wall is that I will lose the ability to pay my bills and have to work double time to make up for it, or does the paying public want to pay £15 for a 2 mile ride in future, or will the Government suppliment me to make up what I fail to earn that I used to, no neither would welcome that would they, I'll try to make you see something here Mark, most of the reasons you cite for deregulation are caused or operated by PH locally, 3 ppl own 45% of the PH plates here, the largest baron on the Hacks owns 6, all WAV's I might add, when the road is blocked by a "Taxi" it's normally a PHC, including waiting for a booking on a roundabout :roll: then we can cite the other unproffessional behaviour of pulling up on the oncoming side of the road and not dipping the lights, the arriving from a sideroad at 30mph with the nose hanging out in the main road, the going for the gap routine even though it's their side of the road that has the parked car on it, and so it goes on, all these things make it to the LO and guess who gets the blame? yes us the Hacks.


Anyway back to topic, I just would like Ali to clear this up for me one way or the other.
Author:  ALI T [ Fri May 29, 2009 5:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Question For ALI-T
Doom wrote:
I've been reading some other stuff on the net where you've posted up mate.


Can you confirm or deny this

You sold a cab license for 50k or thereabouts a while back?

You knew there was a chance of deregulation in your area at the time?

You've since applied for and gained another license for free?

If this is fact, you have taken someone elses money knowing it would become worthless, you've then gone and applied for another plate on free issue and plonked it on a cheap old px cab from another district, and you advocate a free and fair chance for all even though you've profited from the very thing you make a case against, is this the case or not Ali?
i can both confirm and deny that!
i hope that clears it up for you :lol:
Author:  ALI T [ Fri May 29, 2009 6:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Question For ALI-T
you need to clear this up,thats why i asked you what district you were in a while back,i asked this so i could fully appreciate youre position something you clearly are not prepared to do with me

with the absence of that info ill have to guess that your LA operates a 2 tier policy of sorts,you have taken the cheaper option if im right and opted for a saloon plate that has a value simply because there are less restrictions on it than a wav plate(the cost of a hack cab).
you will have to clear this up before i can disect you youre argument properly

as for my story :oops: i to had problems with my ermm.... empoyers namely the owners were fecking me about so myself and 40 odd other drivers who were also being fecked about applied for our own licences,the council took us to court and ultimatly lost the cases resulting in 6 applications being granted by the courts,the others being withdrawn because of the councils underhand tactics and bullying imo.
i then put on a wav taxi as we are not allowed pretend ones in my LA(i know your LA does),ran it for less than a year then transferred ownership :lol:
i have just recently applied for 2 more plates,hopefully these will be granted eventually by the court again.

i dont care if they dereg or not,if they do dereg! and i hope they do, ill put on some older but proper! taxi's and rent them out very cheaply to the guys who for varios reasons dont want there own cabs.

if they dont i will sell them probably,and promptly go back for more,thus keeping the pressure on for derestriction.
in other words ill do to them what they did to many others here in edinburgh and what they tried and failed to do to me,is that ok brother.
Author:  gusmac [ Fri May 29, 2009 6:32 pm ]
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The real double standard is for those who advocate profiting by a flawed system, complaining that someone who doesn't agree with it makes a profit from it as well.

Nobody should profit from the sale of a council licence which was issued free to someone (as all licenses were at one point).
Remember Ali had to risk his money in court to obtain a licence which Edinburgh council claimed their was no demand for, and then sold it on for a hefty profit to a guy who was made well aware that deregulation was a serious possibility and was advised to apply for his own. :shock: How was this possible if there was no demand :?

Until Edinburgh change policy, they are stuck with the system whether they agree or not. If Ali's actions highlight the flaws in the system, so much the better.
Author:  edinburghlad [ Fri May 29, 2009 6:34 pm ]
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But this time you have no hope in HELL in winning any case and you know it :mrgreen: But its fun watching you fail, it makes me glow inside lol
Author:  gusmac [ Fri May 29, 2009 6:46 pm ]
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edinburghlad wrote:
But this time you have no hope in HELL in winning any case and you know it :mrgreen: But its fun watching you fail, it makes me glow inside lol


Didn't they say the same thing last time? :wink:
Author:  ALI T [ Fri May 29, 2009 6:46 pm ]
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edinburghlad wrote:
But this time you have no hope in HELL in winning any case and you know it :mrgreen: But its fun watching you fail, it makes me glow inside lol

why is that :?:
there is no fully ratified survey ..and that is whats required.
care to expand or is that it,just a swipe from the dark. :oops:
Author:  ALI T [ Fri May 29, 2009 6:47 pm ]
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gusmac wrote:
edinburghlad wrote:
But this time you have no hope in HELL in winning any case and you know it :mrgreen: But its fun watching you fail, it makes me glow inside lol


Didn't they say the same thing last time? :wink:

exactly and it's that that gives me a warm glow inside :wink:
Author:  toots [ Fri May 29, 2009 6:53 pm ]
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I'm confused now. What you're saying is it's ok to get a plate free and then sell it so long as you've fought for the right to have one through a court case. Surely if you won the court case then your costs would have been met by the council thus not really costing anything :? Do you really want total uncontrable delimitation, have you thought of the consquences if it happens?
Author:  ALI T [ Fri May 29, 2009 7:14 pm ]
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toots wrote:
I'm confused now. What you're saying is it's ok to get a plate free and then sell it so long as you've fought for the right to have one through a court case. Surely if you won the court case then your costs would have been met by the council thus not really costing anything :? Do you really want total uncontrable delimitation, have you thought of the consquences if it happens?


no im saying that quantity controls shouldnt be there at all.


i am for removal of quantity controls.

not quality.

and yes they did pay my expenses.

especially when i countered a smaller amount during negotiations and the council refused to pay ,it went to taxation and i got more whoopeee :lol:

that to made me all warm inside.how about you edinburgh boy :mrgreen: :mrgreen: its that money that i used to put down more applications :lol: :lol:
Author:  ALI T [ Fri May 29, 2009 8:14 pm ]
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besides!! doom old boy.


you should stand back and realise that ...what i am doing maybe questionable in youre book. moraly or otherwise..... however is only possible because of what you profer to do.your system :roll:
which begs the question does it not :wink:
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