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Perhaps some good might come from the tragedy . . . .
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Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:29 am ]
Post subject:  Perhaps some good might come from the tragedy . . . .
Perhaps some good might come from the tragedy that was previously posted on the TDO Forum under this thread;

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtop ... er&start=0

At 10.00am today a national campaign is to be launched in Birmingham for safer taxi travel for disabled children.

More information about this great initiative is available on this link;

http://birminghamnewsroom.com/?p=7601

There should also be available today the new stickers that will be available to wheelchair users & cab drivers.

The wheelchair users sticker will say, ‘Please Care – Secure My Chair’ whilst the drivers sticker will say, ‘I Care – I Will Secure Your Chair’

Copies of the pamphlet that has been printed to launch this very worthwhile campaign should be available later today on www.birmingham.gov.uk/champ

As I said at the Hackney Trade Liaison meeting on Monday at which Tony Phillips-Jones the campaign’s co-ordinator briefed the trade, “It is good that young people in wheelchairs have come up with this idea & can perhaps teach the older people in wheelchairs”

This initiative is in memory of Ramzan Begum, who tragically died in the incident linked at the top of this post.
Author:  Stationtone [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 11:40 am ]
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As someone said previously in another post it will be a criminal offence not to secure wheelchair properly when equality bill comes into force.
Author:  grandad [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:27 pm ]
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We have a driver of a WAV who NEVER secures wheelchairs, he just tells the people to put their brake on. He also lets mums leave children in their buggy without being secured.
Author:  bloodnock [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:10 pm ]
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Id hate to be sitting in a tethered or untethered wheelchair in a WAV if it had an accident and the vehicle rolled over..much better if possible to be sat in a nice safe saloon with the wheelchair in the boot...still thats equality for you, nearer thy god than some.. :?
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:39 pm ]
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stationtone wrote:
As someone said previously in another post it will be a criminal offence not to secure wheelchair properly when equality bill comes into force.

If that's the case, then about time too.

Is this actually a clause in the Equality Bill.
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:42 pm ]
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bloodnock wrote:
Id hate to be sitting in a tethered or untethered wheelchair in a WAV if it had an accident and the vehicle rolled over..much better if possible to be sat in a nice safe saloon with the wheelchair in the boot...still thats equality for you, nearer thy god than some.. :?

That's all well & good if the wheelchair user can transfer from the wheelchair, but not all can & there are many that have to stay in the wheelchair.
Author:  Brummie Cabbie [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Perhaps some good might come from the tragedy . . . .
This has also been on local radio today.
Author:  Stationtone [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:37 pm ]
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I think it might be an offence and not a criminal offence :roll:


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Clause 154: Taxi accessibility


Effect


509. This clause contains a power for the Secretary of State to make regulations specifying


the technical standards applying to licensed taxis and imposing requirements on taxi drivers,

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to enable disabled people to access taxis safely, even when seated in a wheelchair, and be


carried in safety and reasonable comfort. It makes it an offence, punishable by a fine of up to


£1,000, for a driver of a regulated taxi to fail to comply with the requirements of the


regulations.


Background

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510. This clause is designed to replicate the effect of conditions in section 32 of the


Disability Discrimination Act 1995.


511. These conditions do not apply to taxis which are drawn by horses or other animals.


Examples


• It would be an offence for a taxi driver not to comply with a requirement to have a

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ramp or other device to enable a disabled person in a wheelchair to access the taxi in


safety.


• It would be an offence for a taxi driver not to comply with a requirement to ensure the


correct position of a wheelchair in the taxi so as to ensure the disabled person can


travel in safety.

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Clause 155: Designated transport facilities
Author:  grandad [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 3:47 pm ]
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
bloodnock wrote:
Id hate to be sitting in a tethered or untethered wheelchair in a WAV if it had an accident and the vehicle rolled over..much better if possible to be sat in a nice safe saloon with the wheelchair in the boot...still thats equality for you, nearer thy god than some.. :?

That's all well & good if the wheelchair user can transfer from the wheelchair, but not all can & there are many that have to stay in the wheelchair.


How do they get into bed? I don't mean to belittle people in wheelchairs. But someone must help these people into bed. Now could not the same be applied to putting someone into a car?
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 7:59 pm ]
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
Is this actually a clause in the Equality Bill.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... .html#j054
Author:  Sussex [ Wed Feb 24, 2010 8:01 pm ]
Post subject: 
stationtone wrote:
I think it might be an offence and not a criminal offence :roll:

Will be an offence, and will be a criminal offence.
Author:  MR T [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:53 am ]
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I recently met a disabled woman who travels in purpose-built taxis regularly, I met her at a council meeting where she was representing the disabled, she will not be strapped in , and travels facing the side window , she told me that she cannot travel facing forward or backwards because the motion of the vehicle starting and stopping causes her a great deal of pain in her spine....... it looks like she will be trapped inside her home from now on.. it might also be a good idea to have signs saying..... if you have brittle bones or fragile should you really be travelling in a taxi........
Author:  cabby john [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:40 am ]
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Okay so must not discriminate between able bodied and disabled ! Joe Bloggs who is well over 14 years of age gets into my cab and I says put your belt on ! He says to me it is up to the individual and I will take the chance you cannot make me do it, (which I believe is correct).

Sooo if an adult in a wheelchair says I cannot and will not be strapped in............Are we discriminating?
Author:  captain cab [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 11:44 am ]
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cabby john wrote:
Okay so must not discriminate between able bodied and disabled ! Joe Bloggs who is well over 14 years of age gets into my cab and I says put your belt on ! He says to me it is up to the individual and I will take the chance you cannot make me do it, (which I believe is correct).

Sooo if an adult in a wheelchair says I cannot and will not be strapped in............Are we discriminating?


You are to a degree, you have or should do a risk assessment in both cases, you can refuse the fare on that basis.

CC
Author:  cabby john [ Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:05 pm ]
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captain cab wrote:
cabby john wrote:
Okay so must not discriminate between able bodied and disabled ! Joe Bloggs who is well over 14 years of age gets into my cab and I says put your belt on ! He says to me it is up to the individual and I will take the chance you cannot make me do it, (which I believe is correct).

Sooo if an adult in a wheelchair says I cannot and will not be strapped in............Are we discriminating?


You are to a degree, you have or should do a risk assessment in both cases, you can refuse the fare on that basis.

CC


If I do not refuse the fare because (1) At the moment it is not illegal (2) It is a form of discrimination.............Am I off the hook so to speak,because if the wheelchair passenger was not belted and was not happy then they could say let me out.
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