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Author:  Taxi Driver Online [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 3:33 am ]
Post subject:  Minicab CRB victory
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Author:  Cgull [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:48 am ]
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So lets get this right, because prospective PH drivers in London find filling in CRB check far too onerous, and really would like to work un-checked. They un-like the rest of the UK, and the London HC trade, can simply by-pass it.
What next one asks? Will they be exempt from MOTs because it really is a pain sometimes getting one of them.
Perhaps if the police stop one for drink driving, they will ask to be exempt from the breath test, because there is a shortage of drivers.
I'm sorry (as one of the biggest supporters of London PH licensing), but they have got this wrong. Start as you mean to go on, if you want to be respected and legitimized, then act like it.
Not like a little spoilt brat, who can't get his own way.
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:56 am ]
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Below is a story about a piece of scum from Wales. :(

Just think when he comes out of jail, he will be able to work for a few months driving a London PH. :)

To get him back on his feet. :( :( :( :( :( :(

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A PAEDOPHILE taxi driver was jailed yesterday after police found pictures of children as young as four on his computer.

Father-of-one Geoffrey Barnes, 53, was caught as part of the FBI-led Operation Ore worldwide crackdown on internet pornography.

Police discovered Barnes' credit card had been used to pay for access a child porn website.

Prosecutor Tom Crowther said detectives discovered 181 indecent pictures and 35 movie files on two computers seized at Barnes' home.

He said, "Almost a quarter of the movies were classed as level five - the most serious form of child pornography.

"There was one movie showing a grown man and a girl of about four performing a sex act.

"The source of these images was an American website called Landslide - the international operation has traced their subscribers.

"Barnes paid to access Landslide on at least two occasions, both times paying US$24."

The American owners of Landslide were jailed for "thousands of years" as a result of the FBI investigation.

James Evans, defending, said Barnes would now lose his job as a taxi driver because of the conviction. He said, "Barnes is a married man with a son. It has been an enormous difficulty for him to have to explain these allegations to his wife.

"His wife said she will stand by him so he does have a family to return to.

"But it is very likely he will lose his employment because he will be unable to get a licence."

Barnes, of Canton, Cardiff, was jailed for 12 months after admitting making and possessing indecent images of children.

Judge Jonathan Durham Hall QC also disqualified Barnes from working with children and ordered him to register as a sex offender.

He told Barnes, "This is an evil and shameful trade - I have to have regard for the shame and degradation that the victims were put through.

"You were fuelling the market devoted to this sordid material," the judge said.
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Author:  Alex [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:31 pm ]
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Ouch !!!!!!!!

No beating about the bush from Sussex there then.:shock:

Alex
Author:  Tom Thumb [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:19 pm ]
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No Cgull you have it wrong.

When a new applicants has had a medical, filled in all the paperwork and has a receipt to prove his fully completed CRB has been filled in and sent to Liverpool then he will be issued a Temporary licence for 3 months.

Now I know that this has risks attached. But you have to weigh these against the risks associated with the illegimate trade continuing to dominate the legal operators, for this not to happen the legal must be able to get cars on the road.

I have so far submitted over 150 applications to CRB and not found 1 problem with the report back. My LO must have sent in well over a 1000 and has only had 1 form back raising concerns.

If you are prepared to fill in the forms it means that you are unlikely to have anything to hide.

I would like the same option in my District but MiscProv76 does not given us the ability.
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:56 pm ]
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I agree with that Tom, but why are London PH suddenly in this situation?

We both know that when the CRB started, it was with no notice, and we got by.

I'm not that up on London, but surely they must have known this was coming. So is it the fault of the trade or the PCO? :?

I hope that you are right, and the 3 month permits aren't an open door to scum. But if one slips through the net, there will be 20 odd thousand chaps in the smoke, shouting to high heaven. Is that what the London PH trade needs at its inception.

Fingers crossed !!!!!!!
Author:  Guest [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:20 pm ]
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This legislation is simply to cover up the gross incompetence of the CRB.

In the old days, the police could get a full CRB check done on the side of the road, in minutes.

A solicitor or barrister could get a witnesses CRB check done in a courtroom in less than an hour.

So much for the new technology and wonderous new computer systems that are not as good as those of the 1960s.

Its the CRB thats at fault. But hey, why not just blame it on the cab trade for making too many applications eh?
Author:  Dusty Bin [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:44 pm ]
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Anonymous wrote:
This legislation is simply to cover up the gross incompetence of the CRB.



Quite right Mr Guest.

If there was problems then they should get the CRB sorted out, not abandon the principle of the thing to get the logjam sorted out.

The minicab trade is pointing out that they are thousands of drivers short, but this was always going to happen, as we said a few weeks ago, and this should benefit legitimate drivers.

If there are inordinate CRB delays then it should be sorted, but this smacks of self interest from the minicab operators' point of view, but withe claims and counter claims about the CRB process it's difficult to get a proper view of what's going on.

There are excessive waits in some cases, but by no means in all.

Dusty
Author:  Dusty Bin [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:47 pm ]
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Tom Thumb wrote:
I have so far submitted over 150 applications to CRB and not found 1 problem with the report back. My LO must have sent in well over a 1000 and has only had 1 form back raising concerns.

If you are prepared to fill in the forms it means that you are unlikely to have anything to hide.



I agree to an extent Tom, but then no one ever suggested that all but a tiny handful of the trade were ever likely to murder or rape.

I'm sure there must be one or two adverse CRB reports come back?

Surely some must try to hide their identity, for example, and presumably the CRB procedures should be able to root this out?

Dusty
Author:  Sussex [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:58 pm ]
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In my manor I asked the LOs a month or so ago, how many they had back that they had to either revoke or look into.

I was gob-smacked when they said it was over two dozen. :(

Not all of them lost their license, but a few have.
Author:  Alf Richardson [ Sat Nov 29, 2003 11:15 am ]
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Cgull wrote:
So lets get this right, because prospective PH drivers in London find filling in CRB check far too onerous, and really would like to work un-checked. They un-like the rest of the UK, and the London HC trade, can simply by-pass it.
What next one asks? Will they be exempt from MOTs because it really is a pain sometimes getting one of them.
Perhaps if the police stop one for drink driving, they will ask to be exempt from the breath test, because there is a shortage of drivers.
I'm sorry (as one of the biggest supporters of London PH licensing), but they have got this wrong. Start as you mean to go on, if you want to be respected and legitimized, then act like it.
Not like a little spoilt brat, who can't get his own way.


Brill aint it, people being out at risk?????
Author:  Cgull [ Sat Nov 29, 2003 9:31 pm ]
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To me it doesnt bode well for the future.
If you want to be describe as legit and doing it right.
You have to bloody well do it right.
Author:  Guest [ Sun Nov 30, 2003 4:27 am ]
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Our average wait for a CRB check seems to be about three months, but every now and then one comes through in a fortnight!
Author:  Tom Thumb [ Sun Nov 30, 2003 10:49 am ]
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Our renewals are coming through in less than three weeks normally, never more than four. But they aren't the issue, cos you just have to get organised.

The new applicants (we have bothered since Oct 1st) vary on the background of the applicant. But a local guy with few changes of address are taking less than four normally.
Author:  Andy7 [ Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:28 am ]
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Mine took four months.

I have lived at only two addresses in the past 18 years.

I have lived locally all that time.

I have held a Hackney in my Town since 1985.

I am also a member of our Council's Transport Action Group. :lol:
(A misnomer).
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