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| Author: | andycable [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 10:36 am ] |
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news/local-news/2011/06/04/mersey-cab-drivers-who-held-two-teenage-brothers-to-face-charges-100252-28819316/ |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:14 pm ] |
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Mersey cab drivers who held two teenage brothers to face charges TWO taxi drivers have been charged with abduction – after allegedly holding two teenage brothers they suspected of vandalism in the back of a hackney cab. Phillip Naylor, 30, of Douglas Way, Kirkby and George Sealey, 58, of Deva Close, Kirkby, will appear before magistrates accused of two counts each of child abduction, which could see them jailed for up to seven years. But news of the decision to press charges relating to the incident involving a 15-year-old and a 13-year-old, sparked anger among the Mereyside taxi community. Drivers demanded clarity on where they stand with those they believe have attacked their vehicles or committed offences against them. They threatened direct action yesterday in a tense meeting with Merseyside Police and Alan Shone, Knowsley Council’s consumer protection manager. The drivers wanted to know why the council only took the decision to suspend Naylor and Sealey once the charges were laid on June 1. As the meeting closed they were making plans to protest in Kirkby. Tony Carr, the Unite the Union representative for taxi drivers in the borough, said his colleagues had lost faith in the police and the council. He said: “The drivers don’t know what will happen. If someone refuses to pay a fair and they take them to the police station, then he could be done for kidnap. “The lads don’t know if the police will arrest them or the people who have been violent or abusive or refusing to pay in their cab. “Nobody seems to want to be on our side, and what message does that send to the criminals? "They think they can just get away with it, it’s a carte blanche for them.” Naylor and Sealey believe the brothers threw a brick at one of their cars on February 8, something taxi drivers say happens regularly on Merseyside streets. The schoolboys were then allegedly held in the back of one of the cabs on Saxon Way, Kirkby, before making their escape before police arrived. Both boys are thought to deny any wrongdoing. At yesterday’s midday meeting at the Kirkby Unemployment Centre on Westhead Avenue, drivers expressed concern they were viewed as “low priority” by police who deal with incidents. Merseyside Police denied this.. Speaking to the drivers, Sergeant Kim Carter reminded them they could make citizen’s arrests or take offenders to police stations. She stressed “reasonable force” could be used as restraint. But one person at the meeting, who asked not to be named, said he felt the situation was now “clear as mud”. He said: “They tell us we can make a citizen’s arrest, but you never know where you stand once the police turn up. “Look at what has happened to these drivers, they wanted to stop people from vandalising their cars and end up in the dock.” Mr Carr, who drives a cab himself in the borough, said training for drivers was already provided. He told the ECHO: “At Unite we already deliver taxi driver training about dealing with customers, rights and what is expected. “We do that for drivers working in Knowsley, Liverpool, Wirral and Sefton.“But it is still a sketchy area, it seems to depend on the attitude of the person, whether they give you a verbal telling off or book you for an offence. “It puts us in a precarious position.” Drivers were also concerned about the suspensions imposed on Naylor and Sealey at the start of this month. They had been working since the incident, but when the Crown Prosecution Service decided to prosecute, their licences were withdrawn. Mr Shone said a decision would be taken on renewing the licences at the end of court proceedings. A spokesman for Knowsley council said the decision to withdraw the licenses was taken “following a thorough police investigation”. Naylor and Sealey are due to appear at Knowsley Magistrates’ on June 17. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:16 pm ] |
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A lesson to us all. If I was to offer any advice to those drivers I would say plead not guilty and hope for a sensible jury. But basically it stinks.
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| Author: | cabby john [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:13 am ] |
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My defence would always be in the event of not paying a fare..............I am taking someone committing a criminal offence to the police.That is not kidnapping or anything else, apart from restraint which happens everytime a shoplifter is caught. If someone was robbing a bank and then jumped into your cab, are you supposed to let them go, or apprehend them? In doing so are you then going to be accused of kidnapping ?...............even in mental Britain that is not going to happen. |
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| Author: | Brummie Cabbie [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:47 am ] |
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Sussex wrote: Mersey cab drivers who held two teenage brothers to face charges
TWO taxi drivers have been charged with abduction – after allegedly holding two teenage brothers they suspected of vandalism in the back of a hackney cab. Phillip Naylor, 30, of Douglas Way, Kirkby and George Sealey, 58, of Deva Close, Kirkby, will appear before magistrates accused of two counts each of child abduction, which could see them jailed for up to seven years. But news of the decision to press charges relating to the incident involving a 15-year-old and a 13-year-old, sparked anger among the Mereyside taxi community. Drivers demanded clarity on where they stand with those they believe have attacked their vehicles or committed offences against them. They threatened direct action yesterday in a tense meeting with Merseyside Police and Alan Shone, Knowsley Council’s consumer protection manager. The drivers wanted to know why the council only took the decision to suspend Naylor and Sealey once the charges were laid on June 1. As the meeting closed they were making plans to protest in Kirkby. Tony Carr, the Unite the Union representative for taxi drivers in the borough, said his colleagues had lost faith in the police and the council. He said: “The drivers don’t know what will happen. If someone refuses to pay a fair and they take them to the police station, then he could be done for kidnap. “The lads don’t know if the police will arrest them or the people who have been violent or abusive or refusing to pay in their cab. “Nobody seems to want to be on our side, and what message does that send to the criminals? "They think they can just get away with it, it’s a carte blanche for them.” Naylor and Sealey believe the brothers threw a brick at one of their cars on February 8, something taxi drivers say happens regularly on Merseyside streets. The schoolboys were then allegedly held in the back of one of the cabs on Saxon Way, Kirkby, before making their escape before police arrived. Both boys are thought to deny any wrongdoing. At yesterday’s midday meeting at the Kirkby Unemployment Centre on Westhead Avenue, drivers expressed concern they were viewed as “low priority” by police who deal with incidents. Merseyside Police denied this.. Speaking to the drivers, Sergeant Kim Carter reminded them they could make citizen’s arrests or take offenders to police stations. She stressed “reasonable force” could be used as restraint. But one person at the meeting, who asked not to be named, said he felt the situation was now “clear as mud”. He said: “They tell us we can make a citizen’s arrest, but you never know where you stand once the police turn up. “Look at what has happened to these drivers, they wanted to stop people from vandalising their cars and end up in the dock.” Mr Carr, who drives a cab himself in the borough, said training for drivers was already provided. He told the ECHO: “At Unite we already deliver taxi driver training about dealing with customers, rights and what is expected. “We do that for drivers working in Knowsley, Liverpool, Wirral and Sefton.“But it is still a sketchy area, it seems to depend on the attitude of the person, whether they give you a verbal telling off or book you for an offence. “It puts us in a precarious position.” Drivers were also concerned about the suspensions imposed on Naylor and Sealey at the start of this month. They had been working since the incident, but when the Crown Prosecution Service decided to prosecute, their licences were withdrawn. Mr Shone said a decision would be taken on renewing the licences at the end of court proceedings. A spokesman for Knowsley council said the decision to withdraw the licenses was taken “following a thorough police investigation”. Naylor and Sealey are due to appear at Knowsley Magistrates’ on June 17. We've also had these threats from West Midlands Police of being charged with kidnapping in certain similar cases. A few years ago, we were advised by a serving police constable attached to our Hackney licensing department to say to the offender the following words, "I am making a citizen's arrest on you and taking you to the nearest police station." Apparently, this makes all the difference!
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:57 am ] |
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cabby john wrote: My defence would always be in the event of not paying a fare..............I am taking someone committing a criminal offence to the police.That is not kidnapping or anything else, apart from restraint which happens everytime a shoplifter is caught.
It will all depend on what the drivers said to the police at the time, and in subsequent interviews. My advice to others is to say f*** all.
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| Author: | cabby john [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:50 am ] |
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Quote: A few years ago, we were advised by a serving police constable attached to our Hackney licensing department to say to the offender the following words, "I am making a citizen's arrest on you and taking you to the nearest police station."
So where does that leave you, when you being your only witness recite the above..................and they deny you said it. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:42 pm ] |
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cabby john wrote: So where does that leave you, when you being your only witness recite the above..................and they deny you said it.
You say you said it, if they didn't hear it that's not down to you. Of course with voiced CCTV problem solved. |
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| Author: | kirkby [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: police decision |
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| Author: | tx_op [ Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: police decision |
kirkby wrote: THEM TWO CAB DRIVERS SHOULD BE PUT AWAY!!! Its all over the paper what happened but they don't say anything about the assault. I understand about the rime that goes on but it doesn't give them the right to be dragging them into the cab an then punch one of them in the face!! Don't see any charges relating to assault ! and how many acts of retribution during the riots were ignored by both police and prosecution services ? IMO it's a lot of PC bull and, their fellow cabbies have to take action ! |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: police decision |
kirkby wrote: THEM TWO CAB DRIVERS SHOULD BE PUT AWAY!!! Its all over the paper what happened but they don't say anything about the assault. I understand about the rime that goes on but it doesn't give them the right to be dragging them into the cab an then punch one of them in the face!! I take it this is a claim made by one of the vandals if the drivers did commit assault and there was proof surely they would have been charged ! Not that I'm a gambling man but if I was I doubt the bookies would have given me odds on the police actually doing anything so the drivers in my opinion were doing the right thing |
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| Author: | motoringlawbarrister [ Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: police decision |
The trial has now been heard. Both drivers were found Not Guilty of all charges. The case was covered in the local media: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpoo ... -30308956/ George Sealey's barrister is at motoringlawbarristers.co.uk |
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| Author: | andycable [ Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: police decision |
Motoringlawbarrister ,can Mr Naylor now sue for loss of earnings after having his license revoked whether it be by the licensing department or the police(does it matter who revoked it) Thanks Andy. |
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| Author: | edders23 [ Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: police decision |
Note to admions could you combine this thread with the other one on the same subject ? |
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| Author: | wannabeeahack [ Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: |
cabby john wrote: My defence would always be in the event of not paying a fare..............I am taking someone committing a criminal offence to the police.That is not kidnapping or anything else, apart from restraint which happens everytime a shoplifter is caught. If someone was robbing a bank and then jumped into your cab, are you supposed to let them go, or apprehend them? In doing so are you then going to be accused of kidnapping ?...............even in mental Britain that is not going to happen. dont bank on that, weve just released a KNOWN terrorist sympathing muslim back into the community cos we cant deport him while at the same time a sex-offender in Australia is coming home cos they CAN and DO deport the unwanted... |
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