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| Author: | Stationtone [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Should rear-access taxi get a licence? |
LICENSING chiefs are to have talks with disabled groups about whether to license a cheaper, rear-loading taxi. Most hackney carriages are side-loading and a rear-loading taxi would need at least three metres at the back to allow people in wheelchairs to get in and out, even though rank spaces are at a premium in Worcester. The rear-loading Peugeot Premier does not conform to existing rules which say new licences will only be granted to side-access taxis. A taxi driver applied to Worcester City Council to license a Peugeot Premier on Wednesday, April 27, but concerns were raised at a licensing committee meeting. Niall McMenamin, senior licensing practitioner, said: “Rear-loading vehicles require three metres to the rear. It’s a question for safety for members of the public and space required behind for other vehicles.” He also said that, in the event of an accident, side-loading taxis had two doors, one at each side but for a rear-loading taxi there was only one way to get in or out of the vehicle. Mark Kay, the licensing manager, said a consultation with disabled groups would prevent a legal challenge if the committee declines to license rear-loading taxis. Mr Kay said he understood rear-loading vehicles were cheaper than side-loading. Coun Stephen Hodgson said: “It’s difficult enough getting our taxis on the ranking space. When we have a licensing policy we should not go for the cheaper option just because people can buy cheaper vehicles.” The committee agreed to start a 12-week consultation with both the taxi trade and disability groups. http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/910 ... _licence_/ |
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| Author: | Stationtone [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:38 pm ] |
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YES |
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| Author: | charles007 [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | well |
Stationtone wrote: YES
Some would say no, but they should and it will be the same old story no room on the rank, what if they have a rear end acciedent, NTA dont want them to be licenced. LTI our vehicles are the only one for the job. etc. but yet many council do licence them for both p/hire and Hackneys. this trade dont like change |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Should rear-access taxi get a licence? |
Stationtone wrote: Niall McMenamin, senior licensing practitioner, said: “Rear-loading vehicles require three metres to the rear. It’s a question for safety for members of the public and space required behind for other vehicles.”
And cars can't drive forward to gain that space then? 
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| Author: | toots [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:35 pm ] |
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Are passengers not placed in the 'crumple zone' of the vehicle if it is rear access. Also how easy is it to rescue a passenger from a rear loader compared to a side loader if it has a rear end accident? |
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| Author: | Chris the Fish [ Mon Jun 27, 2011 10:59 pm ] |
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No, they are too dangerous. |
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| Author: | skippy41 [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:35 am ] |
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Look at this logically, most day care vehicles are rear loading, as are nearly every mobility vehicle that is sold to the public thats able to carry a wheelchair, don't forget rear loaders are not just the domain of taxis |
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| Author: | jimbo [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:20 am ] |
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Some councils, (Lincoln for instance) will licence rear loaders for PH but not as a Hackney Carriage. How strange is that? |
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| Author: | grandad [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:22 am ] |
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toots wrote: Are passengers not placed in the 'crumple zone' of the vehicle if it is rear access.
No the passenger is still placed in the passenger compartment of the vehicle!
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| Author: | grandad [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:25 am ] |
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toots wrote: how easy is it to rescue a passenger from a rear loader compared to a side loader if it has a rear end accident?
If the vehicle has had a severe back ender, there is a good chance thjat the side doors will not open anyway. If it is nopt possible to open the doors the fire brigade will just cut the top off anyway and lift the chair out. Don't forget that in some side loaders the ramps are kept in the boot so they may not be accesable after a rear ender. |
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| Author: | Nidge [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:44 am ] |
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No to dangerous. |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 1:20 pm ] |
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If the government say they are safe, then who are we to argue? Most of the "rear loaders are dangerous". argument is just years of LTI propaganda. They are no more dangerous than side loaders or saloons. Each type has it's drawbacks and side loaders are generally designed to be loaded from one nearside door. Ask yourself how much room is required to fully deploy the side ramps and leave enough room to maneuver the wheelchair onto them? Then ask yourself how far from the pavement the taxi would need to park and how far into the road it would be? How safe is that? If the rank is on the wrong side of the road, as it is in Aberdeen's busiest rank, the passenger has to be loaded from the road in front of traffic. How safe is that? The wheelchair passenger cannot easily be unloaded with their wheelchair from any other door since their are various obstructions in the way (seats, security screen etc) and, of course, there is no ramp. So, with either type, in an emergency, the passenger would need to be decamped from their wheelchair. In a rear loader you have a choice of two side doors if the loading door won't open. In a side loader, you have only one. That's if the fire service don't just force open the correct door or cut the cab apart. And, if a council licenses saloons, which have no wheelchair access, then a rear loader is surely an improvement. A wheelchair user in the front of a saloon would need to be dragged across the gearstick, handbrake and past the steering wheel, not forgetting the deployed airbags, to get out the other side. Very practicle not
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| Author: | mycab [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:38 pm ] |
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if so called public saftey is paramont ,wait till one of the rear acces get bumpt there wont be a rescue it will be just a recovery of a body 
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| Author: | gusmac [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 2:55 pm ] |
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mycab wrote: if so called public saftey is paramont ,wait till one of the rear acces get bumpt there wont be a rescue it will be just a recovery of a body
And you base this view on what exactly? |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:24 pm ] |
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jimbo wrote: Some councils, (Lincoln for instance) will licence rear loaders for PH but not as a Hackney Carriage. How strange is that?
Perfectly in keeping with the lack of sense emanating from most council buildings. |
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