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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:29 pm 
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Call for full CRB checks on Telford taxi drivers


Council chiefs today called for the law to be changed after it emerged taxi drivers only need basic CRB checks to trade in Telford.

Both councillors and officers at Telford & Wrekin Council said the safety of residents could be at risk following a change to how checks are made on Hackney and private-hire taxi drivers. It has also contacted the Department of Transport to ask it to consider changing the law.

Previously all drivers needed an enhanced CRB check but a law change in January resulted in only basic checks being required.

As it stands only taxi firms with a contract with a local authority are legally required to carry out an enhanced disclosure on drivers.

Wrockwardine councillor Jacqui Seymour said: “I’m strongly of the opinion that all drivers should have enhanced CRB checks.

“What I hadn’t realised was that the law had changed and I have to say it came as a surprise.

“A taxi driver can pick up a vulnerable or young person at any time of the day. A parent could easily call a taxi for their child who needs to get somewhere in a hurry.

“I think everyone would be a lot happier if the person driving that vehicle has undergone an enhanced disclosure.”

Councillor Roy Scammell, member for Newport North, said: “I think our primary concern has to be the people who are using these taxis.

“I think it’s a poor show by the CRB to relax these laws.”

A council spokesman said: “Telford & Wrekin Council has raised this issue with the Department for Transport and asked it to consider legislative change.

“The Criminal Records Bureau recently informed councils that enhanced CRB disclosures could only be required for drivers who transport children and vulnerable adults as part of a council social care or education contract.

“The council has been following this process since January to reflect the Criminal Records Bureau requirements,” he said.

“ While there may be compelling arguments for the enhanced level approach for all drivers, there is no legal basis for this approach,” the spokesman added.


Read more: http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/2011 ... z1fOL0d7OU

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:03 pm 
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“What I hadn’t realised was that the law had changed and I have to say it came as a surprise.


errm it hasn't changed.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:14 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
Wrockwardine councillor Jacqui Seymour said: “I’m strongly of the opinion that all drivers should have enhanced CRB checks.

“What I hadn’t realised was that the law had changed and I have to say it came as a surprise.

“A taxi driver can pick up a vulnerable or young person at any time of the day. A parent could easily call a taxi for their child who needs to get somewhere in a hurry.

I think everyone would be a lot happier if the person driving that vehicle has undergone an enhanced disclosure.”


And I think everyone would be a lot happier if the trade wasn't run by part-timers who turn up every once in a while to spout platitutes and demonstrate their ignorance.

Except, of course, the Law Commission, the ConDem Government, the Instititue of Licensing, the NALEO, the NPHA, the LTDA, Unite, the GMB etc etc, who of course for their own reasons prefer "local decision making".


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:27 pm 
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Types of information revealed by Standard and Enhanced CRB checks
Both Standard and Enhanced CRB checks contain details of:

spent convictions
unspent convictions
cautions
reprimands
final warnings
police information held locally by the Police (for Enhanced checks only)
information held by the Independent Safeguarding Authority (for positions working with vulnerable children and adults)

This information comes from the Police National Computer (PNC). The CRB only reveals relevant information that is recorded by the police on the PNC.

The difference between Standard and Enhanced CRB checks

A Standard CRB check is available for certain specified occupations, licences and entry into certain specified professions.

The Enhanced CRB check is the highest level of criminal record check and is available for those working in Regulated Activity with children or vulnerable adults.

Applicants for gaming and lottery licences and judicial appointments are also entitled to an Enhanced CRB check.

Approved and additional information

The Enhanced CRB check uses the same PNC information as the Standard check but also includes a check of police records held locally. Enhanced checks may contain approved and/or additional information.

Approved information is non-conviction information provided by the police from their local records. The Chief Police Officer in each force will decide what, if any, information to provide. The CRB will print this information on both the applicant's and the Countersignatory's copy.

Occasionally, the Chief Police Officer may decide it is necessary in the interests of the prevention or detection of crime to release additional information to the Countersignatory only. This additional information is provided in the form of a separate letter and should not be revealed to the applicant without consent.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:01 pm 
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I'm not that sure why so many people have their knickers in a twist.

There is no time limit on Enhanced CRBs for people not changing jobs or authorising organisations.

Thus 99.9% of all licensed drivers have had a full Enhanced CRB check, and therefore they all have a current up-to-date one.

The only problems are for new trade entrants.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:01 am 
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Sussex wrote:
I'm not that sure why so many people have their knickers in a twist.

There is no time limit on Enhanced CRBs for people not changing jobs or authorising organisations.

Thus 99.9% of all licensed drivers have had a full Enhanced CRB check, and therefore they all have a current up-to-date one.

The only problems are for new trade entrants.



Consider this: A police chief might release information to a countersignatory but NOT the applicant.

This might result in a licence being refused, without a reason for refusal being given.

The "information" might well be incorrect, so how would the applicant be able to challenge it?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:07 am 
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jimbo wrote:
The "information" might well be incorrect, so how would the applicant be able to challenge it?

FoI request to the council asking to see every piece of personal detail they have on the applicant.

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News item from the Lincolnshire Echo, Dec 1st.

FORMER PCSO CHARGED WITH RAPING GIRL.

Charged, but not convicted, but never the less, the chap must have been subjected to an even higher level of check than an enhanced CRB. About as much use as a chocolate fireguard.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:28 am 
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Sussex wrote:
jimbo wrote:
The "information" might well be incorrect, so how would the applicant be able to challenge it?

FoI request to the council asking to see every piece of personal detail they have on the applicant.



That does not work. Having done deep research on the subject.

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jimbo wrote:
Charged, but not convicted, but never the less, the chap must have been subjected to an even higher level of check than an enhanced CRB.

Enhanced is the highest check the PCSO would have needed, or allowed by law.

In fact I'm not sure there is any evidence that could be gained that wouldn't appear on an Enhanced check.

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That does not work. Having done deep research on the subject.

You have a legal right to see every bit of data that the council hold on you. Cost you, I think, a tenner.

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jimbo wrote:
News item from the Lincolnshire Echo, Dec 1st.

FORMER PCSO CHARGED WITH RAPING GIRL.

Charged, but not convicted, but never the less, the chap must have been subjected to an even higher level of check than an enhanced CRB. About as much use as a chocolate fireguard.


So you're saying let anyone become a PCSO, taxi driver, or whatever?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:29 am 
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Sussex wrote:
jimbo wrote:
That does not work. Having done deep research on the subject.

You have a legal right to see every bit of data that the council hold on you. Cost you, I think, a tenner.



And you would waste that tenner.

All councils must shred their copies of CRB information.

"Must not be kept on file"

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