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| Author: | andycable [ Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | false imprisonment |
Taken from the anderson shelter blog New Landmark Court Ruling Acts As Warning To Taxi Drivers Taxi driver runs foul of the law as he imprisons passengers over fare dispute – new court case should act as a warning Taxi law experts Howards Solicitors are warning taxi drivers not to take the law into their own hands, even if they believe they are being provoked, after a new landmark ruling. The case of Eve Lamb v Equity Red Star has set a new precedent for the duty of care demanded of taxi drivers towards their passengers and other road users. The taxi driver who was insured Equity Red Star had been found liable of false imprisonment after he refused to let his passengers leave his vehicle over a fare dispute. In the ensuing confrontation between the driver and Ms Lamb’s partner, she suffered a broken hip requiring 6 weeks in hospital after the driver lost control of his vehicle. The taxi driver had decided to take the couple to a police station despite repeated requests to be allowed to exit – an action that was deemed false imprisonment by the Court. This has led to a key ruling that the driver had a strict liability, which makes him legally responsible for the damage and loss caused by his acts regardless of fault – Ms Lamb was awarded £13,250 in damages. Deputy District Judge Jones also commented in his judgement that the driver had the option to stop his vehicle but continued and so posed a significant danger to other road users as well as his passengers. Howards Solicitors, which works closely with the taxi trade, represented Ms Lamb, believes that taxi drivers must take away key lessons away from this case. False imprisonment over fare dispute leads to taxi driver held responcable for serious accident Gavyn Atkinson, head of personal injury and civil litigation, who worked on the case at Howards Solicitors, advises: “If you are a taxi driver that believes that they have been wronged do not take the law into your own hands, pursue other options. If you find yourself in a difficult position call the Police if possible, drop off passengers outside their homes or places of work and note the address, install cameras in your cab.” Atkinson continues: “Only in cases of self-defence where you honestly believe that there is a threat to your physical well-being would we acknowledge that there might not be any reasonable alternative. However, cases that go to Court are often not clear cut in regards to self-defence.” Oliver Gardner managing partner of Howards Solicitors, which specialises in criminal and motoring law comments: “The law is still far from satisfactory for taxi drivers. There are few, if any, cases that give much needed guidance to taxi drivers in this area. Moreover, Gavyn’s research showed that no approved guidelines are in place, from councils or colleges offering NVQs for taxi drivers. It is a situation that needs to be resolved quickly to protect taxi drivers and their passengers.” One of the comments on there really made me chuckle "feck em all! said... Call the police? Yeah right, like they give a [edited by admin]. We might as well put a sign up saying ' This taxi is free if you don't fancy paying'. And will they now have to start making cabs without the doors staying locked when your foot is on the brake? Next they will be telling us it infringes a burglars rights to have locks fitted on your doors. I am sick of this [edited by admin] country, the sooner the world ends the better as far as on concerned! " |
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| Author: | gusmac [ Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
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| Author: | andycable [ Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
oops apologies...... how do i delete my double posting |
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| Author: | toots [ Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
You don't we just get to see you made a mistake, you're not the first and you probably won't be the last
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| Author: | Sussex [ Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
andycable wrote: oops apologies...... how do i delete my double posting Maybe this needs to be put up twice as it's quite a serious matter. |
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| Author: | Nidge [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
Tell LTI and all the other Manufacturers to stop making automatic locks which can be controlled via the drivers compartment. If no one pays me and if I had the means to lock them in they'd be soing straight to the nick without hesitation. |
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| Author: | grandad [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
Midlander wrote: Tell LTI and all the other Manufacturers to stop making automatic locks which can be controlled via the drivers compartment. If no one pays me and if I had the means to lock them in they'd be soing straight to the nick without hesitation. And so would you.
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| Author: | Nidge [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
grandad wrote: Midlander wrote: Tell LTI and all the other Manufacturers to stop making automatic locks which can be controlled via the drivers compartment. If no one pays me and if I had the means to lock them in they'd be soing straight to the nick without hesitation. And so would you. ![]() So what do shop security guards do when the catch a shoplifter and take them into tha back of the store?? To be honest I couldn't give two shits if i got charged somehow I don't think it would stick with the right brief behind me do you? |
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| Author: | captain cab [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
Midlander wrote: grandad wrote: Midlander wrote: Tell LTI and all the other Manufacturers to stop making automatic locks which can be controlled via the drivers compartment. If no one pays me and if I had the means to lock them in they'd be soing straight to the nick without hesitation. And so would you. ![]() So what do shop security guards do when the catch a shoplifter and take them into tha back of the store?? To be honest I couldn't give two shits if i got charged somehow I don't think it would stick with the right brief behind me do you? What happened to the good old days when you could drive these people into the countryside and beat the cr*p out of them? Or even better.....when the coppers used to do it for you? CC |
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| Author: | Nidge [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
CC wrote: What happened to the good old days when you could drive these people into the countryside and beat the cr*p out of them? Or even better.....when the coppers used to do it for you? There's one round here who's still old school, you have to make sure he's on shift first. When all the druggies aren't knocking about you know he's on shift, you know then you'll get the full backing of the law if anything goes wrong. |
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| Author: | charles007 [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
Why does any one want to take the law into there our hands, becaues most of the police do sad all to help, only the few will help. well every one is this not another reason for CCTV. |
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| Author: | wee eddie [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
My experience of our Police, in Ayr, is that if you are civil and constructive, they will do their best to help you. Unfortunately, because they 'have' to take the details in a precise and methodical way, it has to be a slow process which can take an hour (or so) out of a Saturday Night's Trade. Next time the Cab goes to Glasgow, for any repair that cannot be handled locally, the best CCTV System I can get will be fitted. |
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| Author: | sasha [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
Midlander wrote: So what do shop security guards do when the catch a shoplifter and take them into tha back of the store?? I think they make a citizens arrest which allows them to detain offenders until the police arrive. The shoplifter gets arrested and charged with theft (shoplifting), whereas a non-payer if the police can trace them just pays the fare owing and that's the end of story. No arrest, no punishment, no inconvenience, no fine or criminal record. Everybodys happy, except the driver. Try walking out of a shop with a trolley full of shopping without paying, and if you get caught just offer to pay for the shopping when the police turn up - see if the same thing happens. Get caught stealing a £5 deodorant from a shop = arrest and prosecution, try and evade a £10 taxi fare = just pay the fare. |
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| Author: | Sussex [ Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
I think it all boils down to the first thing the drivers says to the police. If he says he deliberately kept them in the cab to stop them escaping, then that (as the case shows) could lead to a charge of false imprisonment. Maybe the driver should have said the door was automatically kept locked by the vehicle's safety mechanisms, and the driver was going straight to the police station because he was being threatened (or felt threatened) and was certain the punters were going to attack him. |
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| Author: | toots [ Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: false imprisonment |
sasha wrote: Midlander wrote: So what do shop security guards do when the catch a shoplifter and take them into tha back of the store?? I think they make a citizens arrest which allows them to detain offenders until the police arrive. The shoplifter gets arrested and charged with theft (shoplifting), whereas a non-payer if the police can trace them just pays the fare owing and that's the end of story. No arrest, no punishment, no inconvenience, no fine or criminal record. Everybodys happy, except the driver. Try walking out of a shop with a trolley full of shopping without paying, and if you get caught just offer to pay for the shopping when the police turn up - see if the same thing happens. Get caught stealing a £5 deodorant from a shop = arrest and prosecution, try and evade a £10 taxi fare = just pay the fare. The latest security training says not to try and apprehend offenders but to get a good description to give to the police. I can't remember the last time I seen anybody being escorted by shop security to the back of the store or to the managers office. |
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