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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:35 am 
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Bid to stop rapists driving taxis


RULES which continue to allow rapists to drive cabs in Preston will be challenged as part of an overhaul of the city’s taxi trade.


Sex offenders can currently apply for a taxi licence five years after a conviction – 10 years if they have more than one – to drive customers around the city. But licensing chiefs are considering banning sex offenders forever – if the public agree.

Meanwhile, a Freedom of Information request, submitted by the Evening Post, revealed taxi drivers with criminal convictions for violence, drugs and dishonesty have been granted licences to work across Lancashire.

Dozens of people with known records have been approved to drive taxis by district councils over the last five years.

Preston Council said it could only provide information for the last year, when four applicants with criminal records were approved, and two knocked back. Offences included obtaining money by deception, breach of a community order and drink-driving. No sex offenders have been employed in the past five years. The issue is under the spotlight following news that a Lancashire taxi driver, who sexually assaulted a young passenger, was a convicted killer.

Zulfikar Nawaz, 56, of Balshaw Road, Leyland, attacked an 18-year-old boy as he drove him home from an office party in Chorley town centre.

It was revealed in court that Nawaz had a previous conviction for manslaughter dating back to 1977. Because that conviction was regarded as ‘spent’ after 20 years, he was able to get a Hackney carriage licence from Chorley Council.

Chorley Council leader Peter Goldsworthy said a committee had followed procedures when granting Nawaz a licence, but pledged a review of the case in light of his new conviction.

Preston Council licensing manager, Mike Thorpe, said: “I think with most offences there is a view there has to be a time where it’s no longer relevant.

“However, in terms of sexual offences, we’re wondering whether we should take a more stringent view, because of the nature of the employment and the opportunities their employment provides in terms of vulnerable lone females late at night who may be under the influence of drink or drugs.

“We would be sending out a message that anyone with a sexual offence, we don’t want driving taxis.”

But former licensing chairman Dave Hammond, who has been involved in discussions about the new policy, said: “I’m not 100% happy with that, because it takes me back to a couple of years ago.

“A man came before the licensing committee, and we found out he’d been done for murder.

“He ended up being a nice bloke. His life had changed completely in 20 years. We granted it, but I don’t know if he ended up being a taxi driver.

“Each case is treated on its merits and, as far as I’m concerned, it must be. If a bloke got done 30 years ago for a sexual offence, are you going to deprive him of a living for the rest of his life?

“It’s a taxi hearing, it’s not a re-trial. The person concerned has been in front of a court and they’ve made the decision – it’s nothing to do with us.

“We’re just there to find out whether he’s a right and proper person.”

Mick Rooney, of Ribbleton Taxis, said: “If someone has kept their nose clean for five years, I reckon they should be given a second chance.

“If they have not re-offended, they should be allowed at least to apply anyway. I’m not saying it should be granted – it’s then up to the sub-committee to decide if they are a fit and proper person.”

The consultation will also look at whether Preston is served by enough taxis, and asks people whether the current dress code for drivers “enhances the reputation of the trade”.

It asks whether the council should insist “safety measures”, such as CCTV, are installed in cabs, and whether penalty points should be issued to drivers who receive points on their driving licence.

Mark Selley, secretary of the Preston Hackney Carriage Association, said public safety was an important issue, and drivers paid for their own CRB checks when renewing a licence.

He said: “Every case is taken on its merits. If a CRB has thrown something up, it is up to the licensing committee of independent councillors to decide whether they consider that person fit and proper. The system works, but there will always be an occasional grey area.”

People in Preston have until January 31 write to the town hall or via licensing@preston.gov.uk.

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/local/bid_to_stop_rapists_driving_taxis_1_4101179

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:36 am 
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Local paper has f*ck all to report so picks on taxis shocker

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:44 am 
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when i applied for my hackney plate in the cotswolds i had to go in front of the committee because i had an offence of driving a car with no insurance when i was 17 some 32 years ago


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:26 pm 
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When it comes to sex offenders they should never be given a badge. We had a case a few years ago when a chap with gross indecency against children X5 was allowed a badge to drive. I got hold of his CRB and went to the local press, the Council soon revoked his badge.


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Quite right too in this job temptation is in front of you all the time if someone has done something awful like that in the past they are likely to again once the opportunity is put in front of them !

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Sex offenders can currently apply for a taxi licence five years after a conviction – 10 years if they have more than one – to drive customers around the city. But licensing chiefs are considering banning sex offenders forever – if the public agree.

Doomed to failure.

If that rule had been in place 30 years ago then no gay or lesbian would ever be given a license.

The law says you judge every case on its individual merits, and the law is right.

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Never heard of the expression the law is an ar*e sussex

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edders23 wrote:
Never heard of the expression



There's caselaw on it.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:41 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
Never heard of the expression the law is an ar*e sussex

In this instance it's not.

Is anyone saying two chaps having consensual sex 30 years ago should be banned from driving a cab for ever?

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Sussex wrote:
Is anyone saying two chaps having consensual sex 30 years ago should be banned from driving a cab for ever?


No, they are saying that one chap having non consensual sex with anyone, is not, and never should be considered fit and proper.

The two hypothetical people you refer to, were convicted of something which is no longer a crime. It would be difficult to justify barring either from driving a cab on these grounds.

Let's just extend the same consideration to the rapists, murderers and kiddie-fiddlers.
If their actions ever become perfectly legal, then they can have a licence.
Until then, or when hell freezes over, whichever comes first, the answer should always be NO.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:46 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
edders23 wrote:
Never heard of the expression the law is an ar*e sussex

In this instance it's not.

Is anyone saying two chaps having consensual sex 30 years ago should be banned from driving a cab for ever?



I agree.....the whole basis of law is rehabilitation.......if a person cannot be rehabilitated....then simply shoot them, its cheaper.

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I agree.....the whole basis of law is rehabilitation.......if a person cannot be rehabilitated....then simply shoot them, its cheaper.

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Shooting's too good for the likes of them.........string 'em up.....with piano wire.... :wink:

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The two hypothetical people you refer to, were convicted of something which is no longer a crime. It would be difficult to justify barring either from driving a cab on these grounds.

They would have a conviction, and the council policy is set in stone.

My point is that setting it in stone is both daft, and against European Law.

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Fettering councillors' discretion, innit?

I doubt in fact if they would instigate such a policy - it's probably just a change in guidelines that's being proposed, but it's being reported as something that would be set in stone.


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No law should be set in stone ~ There must always be the availability for exceptions to it.

For example ~ How about a 16 year old boy with a 15 year old girlfriend. If they have sex and many do, technically, he's a paed paedophile ophile. Which is a load of bollocks.

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