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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:45 pm 
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Alex Salmond accused of 'rigging' independence referendum

Alex Salmond is facing accusations of trying to rig the independence referendum after admitting that people can respond anonymously as many times as they like to his consultation on the ballot’s rules.

Opposition parties said the system had been “designed for abuse” because it allows each SNP follower to make multiple submissions backing the First Minister’s preferred referendum timing, wording and second question.


The SNP has an army of ‘Cyber Nats’, a group of fanatical supporters attacking Unionist parties on blogs and newspaper websites, that is well placed to artificially boost the number of internet responses.

This would allow Mr Salmond to claim overwhelming public support for his autumn 2014 timescale and demand for a second ‘extra powers’ question being included on the ballot paper.

The First Minister has boasted his consultation has received more than 10,000 responses compared to 3,000 received by the Coalition Government. However, the latter insisted on people providing a real name and email address.

The row broke out as the SNP dismissed the Coalition consultation’s findings that 70 per cent of people want the referendum held sooner than autumn 2014, citing its lower number of responses.

Anas Sarwar, Scottish Labour deputy leader, said: “Everyone knows that Alex Salmond desperately wants a second question on the ballot and now he has left the door open for his army of Cyber Nats to deliver the response he wants.

"Alex Salmond has done nothing to dispel the notion that he is trying to rig the referendum. The SNP have produced a system that isn't just open to abuse, but looks designed for abuse. This flawed consultation should be abandoned now."

Jackson Carlaw, Scottish Tory deputy leader, said the lack of checks rendered Mr Salmond’s boasts about response numbers “risible”. He said: “This news gives meaning to the old cliché ‘Vote early and vote often!’

“Nothing the SNP now assert on the basis of a rigged consultation to which SNP members can contribute anonymously and as many times as they like will command confidence or deserve to be taken seriously.”

Willie Rennie, the Scottish Lib Dem leader, said: “The SNP must either end the consultation and start all over again or exclude all anonymous submissions.”

The Coalition wants a referendum in September 2013 with a single question on independence using the existing franchise

However, Mr Salmond plans to delay the ballot for at least another year and add a second ‘extra powers’ question if Scots reject independence. He also wants to give 16 and 17-year-olds the vote.

The weight of public opinion, measured using the consultation responses, will be a useful bargaining chip for either side in their negotiations for staging the ballot.

Bruce Crawford, the SNP Government Strategy Minister, confirmed that “all responses will be accepted" to the Your Scotland, Your Referendum consultation, including those from people who keep their identity a secret.

This also means people can submit more than one response. But Stewart Hosie, the SNP’s Treasury spokesman, yesterday insisted the public can have a “great deal of confidence” in the consultation, which ends next month.

He said the process was identical to a 2004 consultation on the smoking ban and responses will be verified by an external body appointed by ministers, although he could not say who would perform this task.

“The rules being used are exactly the same rules that have been used in every single other consultation," he said, although this was disputed by Mr Sarwar.

“The idea this is being rigged in any way is an absolutely appalling accusation.” Mr Crawford said the consultation is being conducted using the “highest possible standards”.

Meanwhile, an early analysis of the Coalition’s consultation found only 22 per cent of the individuals and organisations that responded backed Mr Salmond’s autumn 2014 timetable.

Michael Moore, the Scottish Secretary, said: “The overwhelming public support for an early vote sends a strong signal that holding off on the decision is an unpopular as it is damaging.”

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:46 pm 
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The SNP has an army of ‘Cyber Nats’, a group of fanatical supporters attacking Unionist parties on blogs and newspaper websites, that is well placed to artificially boost the number of internet responses.


I'd hardly describe Gusmac and Stationtone as an army... :lol:

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The SNP has an army of ‘Cyber Nats’, a group of fanatical supporters attacking Unionist parties on blogs and newspaper websites, that is well placed to artificially boost the number of internet responses.


I'd hardly describe Gusmac and Stationtone as an army... :lol:

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lol @cc :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Blow for Sarwar as Scotland Office admits UK Government consultation accepted anonymous responses

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Scottish Labour’s Deputy Leader Anas Sarwar’s attack on the integrity of the Scottish Government’s referendum consultation has suffered a setback after it emerged that the UK Government's own consultation accepted a similar proportion of anonymous responses.

In an embarrassing admission, the Scotland Office has confirmed that 101 of the 3000 submissions (3.3%) failed to provide any identity, the figure for the Scottish consultation was 3.5%.

The office, headed by Scottish Secretary Michael Moore, also admitted that no fewer than 118 individuals had submitted multiple responses that had led to rejections. The Scottish Government consultation found no evidence of multiple submissions from the same person.

In a statement released last night the Scotland Office said: “During our consultation period we received 101 responses without an individual email address. We believe these were sent via an online form, but as we had no means of identifying individual responses, we did not include these in our consultation.

“There were also 118 cases where we received more than one response from the same person … we only recorded one reply in each case.”

The statement follows calls from the SNP for the same level of scrutiny to be applied to the UK wide consultation than has been promised will apply to the Scottish Government submissions.

The SNP has also claimed that there are concerns over the proportion of submissions to the consultation apparently made from a Labour run website.

The admission by the Scotland Office is embarrassing for Scottish Labour’s Deputy Leader MP Anas Sarwar who insisted the Westminster led consultation was far more robust than the Scottish Government’s process.
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Mr Sarwar’s boss MSP Johann Lamont has echoed claims made by Mr Sarwar that the Scottish consultation was rigged by the SNP. However figures subsequently published by the Scottish government appeared to disprove the accusation.

The revelations will prove uncomfortable for BBC Scotland who have given the Scottish Labour complaints very high profile coverage at the expense of other more serious stories, giving rise to concerns over the broadcaster’s editorial decision making.

Critics will be watching with interest to see if the admission from the Scotland Office receives the same level of coverage and whether Mr Sarwar or Ms Lamont will face questions from BBC interviewers as a result.


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Posted on April 02, 2012 by RevStu

In the light of the hoo-ha about the referendum consultation, we thought it was about time we submitted our own response. We couldn't really be bothered going through the whole palaver of the detailed questionnaire on the Scottish Government's website, though, so we thought we'd avail ourselves of the handy one-click form thoughtfully supplied by Scottish Labour for that very purpose.

Weirdly, despite asking for "your views" Labour had already typed out some views for us to have into the message box, but we weren't sure we wanted them to speak for us so we entered something else. And since we wanted to be sure it wasn't dismissed as a fake, we decided to use the name of someone trustworthy who knows that a name and email address provides foolproof identity verification and democratic accountability.
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We clicked the Send button, and the rigorous monitoring process which the Scottish Labour deputy leader spoke of on The Sunday Politics Scotland yesterday duly authenticated our submission, and then asked us to get our friends to join in.
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That's you, readers, so why not do your democratic duty and have a go too? (We had a practice run while pretending to be one of our friends, just to make sure it worked, and Labour's watertight security safeguards also ratified that submission, so you can rest assured that you shouldn't have any technical problems.) We owe it to Scotland.

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A Scottish Politician Had To Resign From His Party After Calling Dead British Soldiers In Afghanistan 'Child Killers'

A supporter and alleged party organizer of Scotland's ruling SNP party has resigned his party membership after tweeting that he was not upset at the recent deaths of six British soldiers in Afghanistan because military personnel there were “child killers,” The Telegraph reports.

Thomas Ball, who claimed to have been a party organizer in Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon’s former parliamentary seat, questioned why the deaths were receiving so much media attention.

When angry Twitter users said they had been “fighting for the likes of you,” he responded: “There’s no British soldier fighting for anything I believe in. Bunch of child killers.”

He went on to say that a majority of soldiers were “racist, arrogant, undereducated thugs who join up for the ‘thrill’ of killing humans,”and were “protecting their country by bayoneting 10-year-olds,”in an apparent reference to an incident last year, when Grenadier Guardsman Daniel Crook was dismissed from the Army and jailed for 18 months after stabbing a 10-year-old Afghan boy in his kidneys with a bayonet, according to Express.

Ball has now set his Twitter to private.

Opposition parties expressed their disgust and urged First Minister Alex Salmond to crack down on the SNP “cybernats” or “cyber nationalists,” who are known for relentlessly subjecting their targets to verbal abuse.

"I’ve been to Afghanistan and met our soldiers who selflessly put their lives on the line for our security. They deserve our respect and admiration, not bile and criticism," said Willie Rennie, the Scottish Liberal Democrat leader.

Ball, who initially claimed to be an “SNP activist” on his blog, later changed this to read “pro-independence activist” and denied being a member of SNP.

The SNP also condemned Ball’s comments, saying he had no connection to Nicola Sturgeon and that Ball had resigned hours after his Twitter rant.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:33 pm 
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This guy's a nut. Perhaps he can avail himself of our excellent health service for some psychiatric help.
He's jumped before he was pushed, and good riddance to him.

This a not a story.
"A Scottish Politician" the guy was nothing more than a member of the SNP. Anyone can join......even you CC :lol:
They don't vet every applicant, any more than the other parties do.
I'd bet you'd find views that are just as radical within the labour party.

It's just a feeble and desperate attempt to smear the SNP. Just like the torygraph story.
Surprised they even bothered to run this rubbish, since BBC Scotland has already had egg all over their faces with it.

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This guy's a nut. Perhaps he can avail himself of our excellent health service for some psychiatric help.
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Provided its not a heart hospital huh?

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This guy's a nut. Perhaps he can avail himself of our excellent health service for some psychiatric help.
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Provided its not a heart hospital huh?

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I didn't read anything to imply he had a heart condition :?
Unless heartless b4stard counts?

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I didn't read anything to imply he had a heart condition :?
Unless heartless b4stard counts?


pmsl....perhaps.

I was surprised to learn there isnt a heart hospital in Scotland.

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I didn't read anything to imply he had a heart condition :?
Unless heartless b4stard counts?


pmsl....perhaps.

I was surprised to learn there isnt a heart hospital in Scotland.

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No need for one...the Lifestyle of the average Scot skips the need for Heart Hospitals..we go straight from healthy to dead, its something to do with our diet.


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captain cab wrote:
gusmac wrote:

I didn't read anything to imply he had a heart condition :?
Unless heartless b4stard counts?


pmsl....perhaps.

I was surprised to learn there isnt a heart hospital in Scotland.

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No need for one...the Lifestyle of the average Scot skips the need for Heart Hospitals..we go straight from healthy to dead, its something to do with our diet.


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