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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:57 pm 
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Black cab passengers are not insured against rape in taxis, judge rules

Passengers who are raped in black cabs are not entitled to compensation because sexual assault is not covered in a taxi's insurance policy, a judge ruled today.

The judgement came as victims of John Worboys, the taxi driver who became known as the notorious "black-cab rapist", lost a battle for damages against his motor insurer today.

Ten women had asked a High Court judge in London to rule in their favour in a landmark action relating to the liability of motor insurers over their injuries.

In his ruling today, Mr Justice Silber found that the bodily injuries suffered by the women did not arise out of the use of Worboys' vehicle on a road or other public place within the meaning of the 1988 Act.

The judge said: "It is clear that the fact of the location of the offences of administering the sedatives and of committing or attempting the sexual assaults occurred in Worboys' taxi, but that is not conclusive or by itself of any real potency.

"They did not arise out of the use of the taxi on a road."

John Worboys, 54, was jailed indefinitely in 2009 after being convicted at Croydon Crown Court of drugging and sexually assaulting women while working as a licensed London taxi driver.

To each victim, he spun a lie about how he had won thousands of pounds on the lottery or at the casino and invited them to toast his success with a glass of champagne.

Many accepted, not realising that Worboys had spiked their drinks with sedatives.

Mr Justice Silber dismissed applications brought against Inceptum Insurance Company Limited, formerly known as HSBC Insurance (UK) Limited, on a preliminary issue of it was liable to pay damages because Worboys' crimes were committed in his insured taxi.

None of the victims were in court to hear the judgment delivered. The £150,000 in legal costs will be met by the victims' insurers.

The judge expressed the "greatest sympathy" for the women "in the light of the horrifying experiences that they suffered at the hands of Worboys", but said his duty was to "follow the appropriate legal principles".

The women had asked the judge for a declaration that "upon the claimant obtaining a judgment against Mr Worboys for damages and interest and/or costs in respect of the matters complained of", the insurers were "liable to pay to the claimant such judgment sum together with any interest due thereon".

During the hearing of the action in April, Edwin Glasgow QC, for the passengers, told the court: "The fundamental issue in these cases is whether personal injuries caused by a taxi driver's assaults on a passenger, during the course of a journey, were 'caused by or arose out of the use of a vehicle on a road' for the purposes of compulsory insurance as required by the Road Traffic Act 1988."

Mr Glasgow said the key to resolving that issue was "the role that the taxi and the taxi driver played in the events which occurred".


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ules.html#

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:06 pm 
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Passengers who are raped in black cabs are not entitled to compensation because sexual assault is not covered in a taxi's insurance policy, a judge ruled today.

It would have been nice if those ladies had receive compensation from the insurers, however if they had then we would have been paying higher premiums for ever.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:16 pm 
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Passengers who are raped in black cabs are not entitled to compensation because sexual assault is not covered in a taxi's insurance policy, a judge ruled today.

It would have been nice if those ladies had receive compensation from the insurers, however if they had then we would have been paying higher premiums for ever.



How about them sueing the police for not catching him, or the pco for licensing him, or god for allowing his single sperm to be successful?

Maybe....even try following the criminal injuries compensation board?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 7:59 pm 
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Judgement for those interested.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/QB/2012/1730.html

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:33 pm 
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taxi insurance is what it says it is cover against accident or injury as a result of accidents involving the vehicle. If the judge had ruled otherwise then every insurance company in Britain could be sued because the premises, vehicles etc etc insured by them became the scene of a crime

that would have been a very dangerous precedent because it would effectively mean that any insurance policy covers more than what the insured was taking out cover for and would push up everything in price

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:54 pm 
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Maybe....even try following the criminal injuries compensation board?


They probably will and they'll probably be successful as they should be. They were probably persuaded to pursue this course of action by some low life lawyer who should be prevented from touting for business :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 12:03 am 
Surely if there is any claim to be made it's against him and not the insurance companies, if this does win then what happens when a McDonalds worker gets done for it, are McD's then liable for that, infact you could argue the council are liable for licencing an unfit driver, but how would they know that before he offended, much as I want justice for the victim's, I can't see how they can win without basically destroying insurance companies, it won't take long before someone plots with a girlfriend to take the fall for a rape that didn't even happen and accepts 3 yrs in jail knowing she will be waiting with the winning lotto ticket when he gets out in 18 mths for good behaviour.


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Surely if there is any claim to be made it's against him and not the insurance companies,

Easier to get money out of a insurance company.

That said I think the ladies had an arguable case, as the attacks took place in his vehicle.

To use your analogy, if a MacDonald's staff member attacked you in a MacDonalds restaurant, MacDonalds would be liable.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:23 pm 
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Doom wrote:
Surely if there is any claim to be made it's against him and not the insurance companies,

Easier to get money out of a insurance company.

That said I think the ladies had an arguable case, as the attacks took place in his vehicle.

To use your analogy, if a MacDonald's staff member attacked you in a MacDonalds restaurant, MacDonalds would be liable.


Spot on infact,

Only thing is though is an insurance company covers you and the public for accidental damage to both you and the car, the purpose of insurance isn't to payout for suffering a criminal act, that would need a new clause tbh, having said that I really do hope these victims get some sort of compensation for their suffering, I just can't see how the insurance companies can possibly be liable for his actions in this case.


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Now the 10 claimants face a £150K legal bill.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bl ... oys-940105

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/vi ... 80087.html

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:12 am 
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I'd have expected some no win no fee lawyer to be handling this.

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:

The post at the begining of this thread states that the legal costs are being met by the victims insurers.

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Theres a surprise eh??? Judges crooks whats the difference wonder how many shares in insurance companies the pillock on the bench has :D or maybe his wife ???

Warboys one of Londons finest ha ha was he in the LTDA?????? :D :D :D :D plent of mugs are =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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Brummie Cabbie wrote:

The post at the begining of this thread states that the legal costs are being met by the victims insurers.

But until such time as the insurers pay those costs, the liability is with the 10 claimants.

Were they insured for prosecution costs only or all costs including defendant's costs?

We shall see in due course, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if they have been misled about the extent of the insurance cover.

When I read it in the original post, I immediately smelt a rat.

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the law firm representing them, revealed that they were insured.


So is this the norm for a no win no fee action?

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